When VW do an Estate...

335dJa · 10-21-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by F32Dude

Because a 335i touring isn't an "M" or "sports" biased car; it's simply an estate car with a powerful engine. The "R" is trying to be - and is marketed - as something special. Making into an estate detracts from that.

BMW has always put their entire range of standard engines in all their body styles. Is there an M3 estate? No.

Some tool in Wolfsburg has just come up with this idea.

Although VAG think that they should have a car for every conceivable niche, nook and cranny. And invent them if they don't.

Oh... and a 5 door TT is coming soon. Oh dear.

There was an m5 estate though..

G82Dude · 10-21-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 335dJa

There was an m5 estate though..

I was waiting for that. There was. To compete with RS4/6 Avant. And it only ever saw one iteration and was a complete flop.

Let's wait and see how many they sell/how many you see on the roads... Count it on one hand.

335dJa · 10-21-2014, 04:54 PM

I don't like it but I think it will probably do quite well, as mentioned before, it will be a wannabe audi s4, no doubt there will be an aftermarket, crazy tuned one within a year too.

Rich9600 · 10-21-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by F32Dude

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Originally Posted by Chris Peacock

How is it any more pointless than a 335i Touring?

Because a 335i touring isn't an "M" or "sports" biased car; it's simply an estate car with a powerful engine. The "R" is trying to be - and is marketed - as something rather special. Making into an estate detracts from that.

BMW has always put their entire range of standard engines in all their body styles. But, is there an M3 estate? No. And has there ever been?

Some tool in Wolfsburg has just come up with this idea.

Although VAG think that they should have a car for every conceivable niche, nook and cranny. And invent them if they don't exist.

Oh... and a 5 door TT is coming soon. Oh dear.

I was following what very much looked like a Ford Focus ST Estate the other day. Could VW simply be responding to the competition?

Also, if we've drawn a parallel between the Golf R Estate and Cheryl Cole... Who would suit the parallel to the Focus ST Estate? The mind boggles. A cheaper Cheryl? Helen Flanagan, Jodie Marsh or the NHS boob job brat.

G82Dude · 10-22-2014, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich9600

I was following what very much looked like a Ford Focus ST Estate the other day. Could VW simply be responding to the competition?
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Why not a GTI estate then? The ST is only a five door?

SkyJawa · 10-22-2014, 02:35 AM

There is indeed a Focus ST Estate. But the ST is a GTi rival not an R.

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Originally Posted by Redben

However it would be much better to drive

Based on what exactly?

Tengocity · 10-22-2014, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by F32Dude

Why not a GTI estate then? The ST is only a five door?

That was my point earlier... if there was really a market for a fast petrol golf then why not a GTI version? This is the equivalent of the Focus ST. Can't imagine Ford making an RS estate, which would be the equivalent of the Golf R.

However, maybe it's to do with the 4WD drivetrain of the Golf R... might suit the estate body from a marketing point of view. 4 of the top 5 performance estates according to Autocar are AWD, so perhaps this is what the performance estate car buyer buyer likes?

It would also explain the popularity of the Audi S/RS models in estate format, but not the M cars.

Rich9600 · 10-22-2014, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tengocity

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Originally Posted by F32Dude

Why not a GTI estate then? The ST is only a five door?

That was my point earlier... if there was really a market for a fast petrol golf then why not a GTI version? This is the equivalent of the Focus ST. Can't imagine Ford making an RS estate, which would be the equivalent of the Golf R.

However, maybe it's to do with the 4WD drivetrain of the Golf R... might suit the estate body from a marketing point of view. 4 of the top 5 performance estates according to Autocar are AWD, so perhaps this is what the performance estate car buyer buyer likes?

It would also explain the popularity of the Audi S/RS models in estate format, but not the M cars.

I think you've got it there. AWD will be the ticket.

It's probably aimed at outdoor/active people who want a fast car big enough to throw bikes, climbing, water sports etc gear in the back.

I wanted an RWD saloon, though if I wanted a touring there is certainly a lifestyle benefit to AWD. I think we'll be going for an AWD touring/estate next.

Tengocity · 10-22-2014, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich9600

I think you've got it there. AWD will be the ticket.

It's probably aimed at outdoor/active people who want a fast car big enough to throw bikes, climbing, water sports etc gear in the back.

I wanted an RWD saloon, though if I wanted a touring there is certainly a lifestyle benefit to AWD. I think we'll be going for an AWD touring/estate next.

Well it describes me (or my own image of myself at least!) perfectly. THe differnece being that doing these things involves long drives (the SE of England is the worst place in the UK by far for anyone in to these things) so for me a diesel AWD estate car makes perfect sense.

....,,,,..,,.. · 10-22-2014, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich9600

I think you've got it there. AWD will be the ticket.

It's probably aimed at outdoor/active people who want a fast car big enough to throw bikes, climbing, water sports etc gear in the back.

I wanted an RWD saloon, though if I wanted a touring there is certainly a lifestyle benefit to AWD. I think we'll be going for an AWD touring/estate next.

One of reasons I went for xrive was the ability to off road or rather use tracks etc.

A lot of our walking, dog walking, mountain biking and other stuff invariably involves rough tracks, fields.

An added bonus has been the ride height.

We looked at an ST Estate, however price wise and looks put us off, the Hatch looks great but let down by the estate version.

An AWD estate is a great all round vehicle where you don't want or really need a SUV.

Luckily only 30 mins from Cannock, an hour or so from Wales/ Peak District, Forest of Dean and Wyre forest

SkyJawa · 10-22-2014, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brigand

An added bonus has been the ride height.

Same here - our holiday in Pembrokeshire would have damaged the front bumper if the car hadn't been that little bit higher.

....,,,,..,,.. · 10-22-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Same here - our holiday in Pembrokeshire would have damaged the front bumper if the car hadn't been that little bit higher.

Lol, I was driving my E91 320d back in June when I was on holiday there.

The farm place we stayed at was down a well rutted track, I cringed ever time I drove down it.

Loved it there though, need to find some place for next year, dogging and Cottaging holiday

Top tip don't Google cottaging holidays on work computer

Chris Peacock · 10-23-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by F32Dude

Because a 335i touring isn't an "M" or "sports" biased car; it's simply an estate car with a powerful engine. The "R" is trying to be - and is marketed - as something rather special. Making into an estate detracts from that.

BMW has always put their entire range of standard engines in all their body styles. But, is there an M3 estate? No. And has there ever been?

Some tool in Wolfsburg has just come up with this idea.

Although VAG think that they should have a car for every conceivable niche, nook and cranny. And invent them if they don't exist.

Oh... and a 5 door TT is coming soon. Oh dear.

Ford Focus ST estate, Audi rs4, e63 estate....... Just following market trends...

Tengocity · 10-23-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Peacock

Ford Focus ST estate, Audi rs4, e63 estate....... Just following market trends...

I understand that, but then why no Golf GTI estate? That would be the equivalent to the Focus ST estate.

Even with the Audis there is also S4 and S6 estates before you get to the RS4 and RS6 estates. I just don't really see that there is a huge market for super fast small estates, when there isn't a lot in the way of medium fast small estates.

And the Golf estate was never a cool car, always very utilitarian rather than a lifestyle type estate.

matk · 10-23-2014, 01:42 PM

It ooks like shit anyways,he f31 owners will agree with me that our cars afe the best looking estates on the market and are all good 320 to 335 petrol and diesel. I do like the RS4 but for the fuel itdrinks its not really worth it!

pdk42 · 10-23-2014, 05:27 PM

Oh my life - that's just awful. Mutton dressed as lamb, clergy mascarading as tarts, Cheryl Cole pretending she's got class. Yeuk.

Redben · 10-24-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

There is indeed a Focus ST Estate. But the ST is a GTi rival not an R.

Based on what exactly?

Based on a golf gti being a lot better to drive than any F30/31 variant short of the m3 I suppose

SkyJawa · 10-24-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Redben

Based on a golf gti being a lot better to drive than any F30/31 variant short of the m3 I suppose

I have a golf gti

That's your opinion. Wrong though it is

Tengocity · 10-24-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Redben

Based on a golf gti being a lot better to drive than any F30/31 variant short of the m3 I suppose

And that's based on what?

....,,,,..,,.. · 10-24-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Redben

Based on a golf gti being a lot better to drive than any F30/31 variant short of the m3 I suppose

Hmm, having driven from Cambridge to North of Scotland in both, the 3 series wins.

Also on Bangor trip the other week, the Lads in the GTI soo did not like the ride, whereas my passenters were shaken

but fine.

Oh and I got there and back by a pretty good margin

Redben · 10-24-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brigand

Hmm, having driven from Cambridge to North of Scotland in both, the 3 series wins.

Also on Bangor trip the other week, the Lads in the GTI soo did not like the ride, whereas my passenters were shaken

but fine.

Oh and I got there and back by a pretty good margin

I have a gti pp. It's so much better than the 335d and any other s drive f30 I have borrowed. It goes exactly where you point it and has better seats. Being 15k cheaper is a side issue. Manual shift is superb and steering is on another level.

Can only imagine how the R does in comparison

....,,,,..,,.. · 10-24-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Redben

I have a gti pp. It's so much better than the 335d and any other s drive f30 I have borrowed. It goes exactly where you point it and has better seats. Being 15k cheaper is a side issue. Manual shift is superb and steering is on another level.

Can only imagine how the R does in comparison

Have you drove it for say 300 miles ?

4 adults in the car and passing with rain?

Definitely clear win for BMW.

Oh looks better

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