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I'd like to see this test re-done with a 335i M-Sport equipped with the MPPK. Completely changes the character of the car, especially in sport mode, but also in comfort mode as well. Not sure what C/D was looking for, but the M-Sport F30 is much more of a driver's car than virtually any Lexus will ever be and, as mentioned above, the Lexus is Fugly. Note also the relatively small difference in price between the 3 cars. The gap is narrowing.
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So, we have this on one thread, courtesy, C&D.
And this on another thread courtesy, BMW.
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It lost by a point. If I judged the cars the exact same way but knocked the Lexus on styling by the two points that most people would, the results would have been more expected.
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BMW could have skipped one or two options and outfitted it with the Mperformance suspension and kept the cost the same. Maybe BMW will learn from it and have cars so equipped for performance minded testing.
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04-27-2013, 06:48 PM | #56 |
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I get the feeling when doing market research, BMW owners with Ex body 3-series must have really complained about the stiffness of the ride a bit, because the softening can only be explained that way.
Jameson, agree, but hate to say it, for daily driving I'm sure 85%would batch about the M performance being too stiff to love with... So I guess they make it a port install option for nuts like us.
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Every car tested, there is one mag that gets a time faster than any other.
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Chassis is the same, suspension the same, steering system the same, tested AT the same. The biggest variable is the engine, followed by about 110lbs more for the 335i when equally equipped, not enough to dramatically alter the cars performance. The 335i has bigger brakes, but that doesn't appear to make a big difference. This is not good for BMW all around. It's not about being a 328i or 335i, it's about the F30's all around softness in comparison to the new competitors and what they've come to battle with. But then, BMW sales of the F30 have been excellent, and that doesn't make BMW really need to scramble to fix the F30. I'm sure, or I hope, the face lifted version will have the biggest improvement changes. Last edited by RPM90; 04-27-2013 at 09:21 PM.. |
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Did you read the C&D test of their first 335i?
Clearly not the fastest 335i test, yet that test is quite often quoted. Now we have the same mag testing another 335i, which tested more in line with what other mags have shown. The 335i AT is quite fast for a sport sedan, very respectable for a sedan. Last edited by RPM90; 04-27-2013 at 09:22 PM.. |
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The Msport tested has the M adaptive suspension, but there is not mention of how the reviewers used it or how they tested it. It's distinctly an item that needs to have been discussed. Does the Lexus sport suspension have optional settings? If so, what were the differences when set to different settings compared to the 335i and the ATS adaptive system. Does the ATS's adaptive system have different settings? If so, then what difference that it makes in that car? The above quote seems to describe my 335i Msport when driving fast on country twisting roads with the system set to "comfort", which is not where it should be set for those conditions. |
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Regardless... many of the forums agree about the f30 suspension to a degree, maybe not as negative as in the article. but the consensus is that is definitely "softer" and that you don't feel as connected to the car as say the e90. The m performance suspension reviews seem to say that the car should have came from the factory that way, and that the sport is too soft. |
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