[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But look at the lap times of both cars with stock tires. The point being everyone is complaining about a new Ford compared to a 11 year old M3. Fan boyz (not you) hate it when BMW gets matched or beaten by lower-priced hardware; then the discussion goes to interiors, suspension, quality, engineering, blah blah blah. When a V6 Mustang can match or beat a 328i in performance and is almost $10K less in price, then that is what I call good engineering.

I looked at the lap times.

You have two RWD cars, both 6mt, similar weight, one claiming 305hp, the other 240. The fact that lap times are being separated by about 1% is pretty solid for the 3.


My point is, it is not an F30 thing, if anything the F30 in your link did a better job against the V6 Mustang than other BMWs. Isn't it worse when an E92is fails to outlap it, or the coveted E92 M3 gets outlapped by the Boss 302?

I am no BMW Fanboi, so I like it when cars that get hated on for badge/bias reasons wipe the floor with another car that gets praised.

I was just hoping to avoid another F30-sucks, E90 rules shitfest when the Mustang V6 example given is not the example to crucify the F30 over.

[dpgfunk]

ill take the m3 over that junk any day

[Nicnaess]

Originally Posted by EuroTrip

Is this a joke?

I watched it til the part when he said the steering feels better than the E46 M3...he clearly knows nothing about driving.

He forgot a couple of things to mention as well:

1. A hot chick wouldn't be caught dead in a Fiesta...can you imagine showing up to valet in a bright red Fiesta? FYL.

2. That Fiesta might have cost $22,000 new, but in 6 months its probably worth $14,000. That M3 will be worth $20k still in 6 months.

3. Sure maintenance is an issue...E46 M3s are pretty pricey to keep running. But considering you are comparing it to a vehicle who's company should have gone out of business 5 years ago? Ford must be making quality products...*cough*

Tell this fat Seth Rogan wannabe to drive that piece of sh!t off a cliff...that way we won't have to see his next video comparing a 2008 M3 coupe to a Dodge Dart SRT...

+1 I started laughing so hard when I read this hahaha

[Akopley]

Originally Posted by SeXiPYm3

Here comes the 335 groupies.... I see plenty of females driving 335s every single day!

Sounds like a butt hurt m3 owner to me. Sorry in most real world driving situations my whip would dust 99% of the m3's on the road. I would still prefer the M3 but I gotta have something to look forward to.

[pruettfan]

I have no question that the Fiesta ST is a nice drivers car and a good value for a hot hatch. Comparing it to a 10 year old BMW M3 is a little silly. The reality is in 2 years the Fiesta will be worth 15 k and the M3 will probably still be worth 20 k. So approaching this from a value perspective is a tough comparison. If I was looking for a daily driver that is fun and didn't have mechanical skill and only had a choice between the two I would take the Fiesta. If I had (i do) some mechanical skill and was looking for a weekend car then it would clearly be the M3.

[skalberti]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

It's a $25k challenge. The whole point of the test was to see if an 11yr old sports car can compete with a modern economy sports car for the same money. That's the entire point of the video! They weren't saying it's better than an M3, they were saying it's better than an 11yr old M3.

Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

You really missed the point of the test.

Sorry guys, I forgot to turn on my sarcasm font so you'd get the gist of my joke. Hopefully you can detect the sarcasm in this post......

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I don't know, but whatever shred of confidence Matt Farrah had left went out the window with this review.

I get it. The Fiesta ST is a great car, but that doesn't mean the M3 has to be a mediocre car, which is the impression I got from Matt's comments. When he said (4:10), "Revving it out isn't really... an adventure. You don't feel boost building. It's nothing... it's nothing to write home about, honestly," I almost closed the video.

In matters of subjective review, there is something called professional consensus. Professional consensus is the commonly held view of individuals who engage in said subjective measure as their profession. In other words, they hold some authority on the matter. Professional consensus is that the S54 engine is one of the best naturally aspirated, straight-six engines ever built. It revs to 8,000 RPM, has a wonderfully flat torque curve, and makes a very characteristic sound. That Matt can experience this engine with such a lack of enthusiasm tells me that he lacks taste in engines.

That is not what He said.


He said you really have to ring it out, to get to the torque/make use of the torque, unlike the ST, which has it available nearly anywhere in the powerband.

Just like the E92 M3, you have to look like a d-bag, just to pass, or merge... because you have to ring the engine out, causing everyone else on the highway to look at the d-bag in the BMW.

Turbo engines don't have the d-bag built-in.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by w3rkn

That is not what He said.


He said you really have to ring it out, to get to the torque/make use of the torque, unlike the ST, which has it available nearly anywhere in the powerband.

Just like the E92 M3, you have to look like a d-bag, just to pass, or merge... because you have to ring the engine out, causing everyone else on the highway to look at the d-bag in the BMW.

Turbo engines don't have the d-bag built-in.

What I quoted in my post was a literal transcription from the video at 4:10. Not only is it what he said, it is exactly what he said.

I really do appreciate what he had to say about the Fiesta ST, and I'm even trying to find one at a local dealer so I can test drive one. Unfortunately, Matt felt like he needed to down-play the M3 in order to express his feelings about the Fiesta ST. I thought that was a bit silly and melodramatic considering the caliber of car that the E46 M3 is (according to just about everyone with a clue).

To be clear, I wouldn't find any fault with someone choosing the Fiesta ST over a used E46 M3. No fault at all, but that doesn't make the E46 M3 a mediocre car.

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by clemsonkev

..... says the dude driving a yellow coupe.

hahaha.. Never once seen a female driving one though. Too bad the same can't be said for my white e92, or yours.. Plenty chicks drive them.

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Akopley

Sounds like a butt hurt m3 owner to me. Sorry in most real world driving situations my whip would dust 99% of the m3's on the road. I would still prefer the M3 but I gotta have something to look forward to.

Sorry dude.. But I own both. Don't kid yourself.. Reality is, when I get into the 3 series, I see plenty of women in them. The same isn't as common in the M3.

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

What I quoted in my post was a literal transcription from the video at 4:10. Not only is it what he said, it is exactly what he said.

I really do appreciate what he had to say about the Fiesta ST, and I'm even trying to find one at a local dealer so I can test drive one. Unfortunately, Matt felt like he needed to down-play the M3 in order to express his feelings about the Fiesta ST. I thought that was a bit silly and melodramatic considering the caliber of car that the E46 M3 is (according to just about everyone with a clue).

To be clear, I wouldn't find any fault with someone choosing the Fiesta ST over a used E46 M3. No fault at all, but that doesn't make the E46 M3 a mediocre car.

Yes, it is what he said... taken out of context!
Because He clearly sates the M3 is a $50k car and hasn't lost any of it's zest. How did he play-down anything? Perhaps you need to drive an ST to see how accurately these two cars match up.

They are both fun to drive, but the ST under 50mph (on the streets) pulls harder than the M3 and is funner to drive around town. Not-so-much @ 80mph on the freeway though..

Lets not forget the premise; today, here & now.
By nearly all standards, the e46 M3 is mediocre by todays standards. Compared to current Corvettes, or Mustangs, or Camaros..? laugh.
That doesn't take anything away from it's purity, Spartan design and sublime characteristics. It is just that for a DD, sometimes it is too tiring to extract all that performance out of the car... having to use all of the engine, too much.

[MKE_M3]

I remember when I switched from my V8 S4 to a 2007 Civic Si. I thought I was making a practical downgrade. I actually enjoyed driving the Civic a lot more.

Having said that, both cars left me longing to get back into BMWs. All I know, is after owning about 15 cars in the past 17 years since I started driving, is that for me to truly connect with a car it needs...

1) Manual transmission
2) Rear wheel drive
3) Better chassis than engine ( or at least as good)
4) A naturally aspirated "revvy" engine

As a parent of three young children, a usable back seat is important, though not for "connection." M3's are the best balance at a reasonable price point of the four requirements I have, and my E90 M3 has seating for 5.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

You really missed the point of the test.

By a country mile........

[Kayani_1]

Just based on looks alone and nothing else I would pass on the Ford Fiesta ST. Once you bring in the 333hp NA inline-6 vs the ST engine to me it is game over. I am a turbo fan but I love a properly sounding high revving NA engine more then anything.

I love the E46 M3 it has ever young looks and drives fantastic. I would buy it in a heart beat over Ford Fiesta. None the less I am glad that in generic car we have good offering like Ford Fiesta ST so we do not have to drive crappy cars.....win..win...all the way around.

[Kayani_1]

JV, your stats for the merits of E92 335i with N54 need a bit more polishing. May I remind you that a 7 year old 2007 E92 335i posted the following times on same Lightning laps you are quoting with standard OE tires. To me it is quite impressive when it is nearly a .5 sec slower then a 500hp mighty M6 messaged by M performance division or faster then much more power full Mustang Shelby GT500 or when it puts great performance cars like RS4 and Z4 M coupe in its place all without an LSD.


50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07



I think if you are going to mention Lightning lap times to justify your point then be fair to the E92 platform and not cherry pick times that suit your argument. Just a suggestion for the old times sake so you can better defend F30 platform in future.

You know I could not let you slide with that one. If you are going to come at N54 335i then you will have to do better then that.....lol...

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

The Mustang is a damn good package these days and let's not forget, the '11+ V6 basically equals the previous V8 GT in most performance metrics(For example, a V6 ran a faster Lightning lap at 3:12.5 than the E92 335is 3:13.8).

[Jamesons Viggen]

You can dig as much as you want if you want to miss the point.

I went back to 2011 and my point about Mustangs vs BMWs is still true.

The Boss is faster than the M3, the V6 has been shown faster than most recent testing of the E92. That statement is 100%

If your not happy with it, go fly a kite

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

JV, your stats for the merits of E92 335i with N54 need a bit more polishing. May I remind you that a 7 year old 2007 E92 335i posted the following times on same Lightning laps you are quoting with standard OE tires. To me it is quite impressive when it is nearly a .5 sec slower then a 500hp mighty M6 messaged by M performance division or faster then much more power full Mustang Shelby GT500 or when it puts great performance cars like RS4 and Z4 M coupe in its place all without an LSD.


50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07



I think if you are going to mention Lightning lap times to justify your point then be fair to the E92 platform and not cherry pick times that suit your argument. Just a suggestion for the old times sake so you can better defend F30 platform in future.

You know I could not let you slide with that one. If you are going to come at N54 335i then you will have to do better then that.....lol...

[Kayani_1]

I love flying kites just not in a mood today to do it JV

By the way no need to get panties in a bunch my man. I am only suggesting that your statement is 100% by cherry picking the data. One can make many statements 100% by cherry picking. I think it can be easily done for F30.

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

You can dig as much as you want if you want to miss the point.

I went back to 2011 and my point about Mustangs vs BMWs is still true.

The Boss is faster than the M3, the V6 has been shown faster than most recent testing of the E92. That statement is 100%

If your not happy with it, go fly a kite

[Meeni]

The guy loves a turbo engine. Good for him. I have personally no problem getting a lot of fun with NA engine, and it's not even half the caliber of the S54. Just rev it, it'll come to life, you just have to ask.

[Tåst]

Hey Matt, you´re tested e46 M3 was broken if it really feels slower than fiesta at low rpm. You must service M3 very meticulous, if you wanted that it goes like it had engineered. Yes, I cannot sign that rwd is only drifting. I think its most rewarding way to learn drive and fwd need only little bit raining and there is problem to get power on road.

Here is specs. E46 M3 product 300nm/3500rpm, Fiesta ST 290nm/3500rpm. E46 270nm/2000rpm , Fiesta 240nm/1600rpm. So maybe just over 1000rpm fiesta may feel powerful, but then remember how instant throttle responsive S54 has...

Then one of the most important thing is driving position. Much lower driving position on M3. Fiesta looks like a minivan.

[CoreyZ]

Originally Posted by EdM5

Is he seriously comparing a FIESTA to the prettiest bimmer coupe ever?

Woah woah woah. Lets try to get a grip here.

[Who?]

hes an audi driver right?


says it all

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by CoreyZ

Woah woah woah. Lets try to get a grip here.

No doubt that's it !