06-07-2012, 12:55 AM | #1 |
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Will the E92 (3-coupe) be discontinued after the F32 (4 series coupe) comes in 2013
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From the news. We all know F32 will be marketed as 4-series. And it seems will be a viable alternative of 6-series in late 2013. My question is, since it will be 4-series instead of 3, will the F32 replace the E92 and make E92 discontinued; or the F32 will co-exist with E92? If it has been announced somewhere, I apologize first. Thank you for any information. |
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It sounds like they're pretty set on calling it the 4-series this go around, but these 2- and 4-series rumors have been around for, what, a decade or more?
and obviously the e92 will go away. |
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06-11-2012, 01:14 AM | #5 |
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Do you think pre-owned 335 will has a significant price drop after E92 is discontinued? In other words, are this two years bad to buy an 335?
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06-11-2012, 04:07 AM | #6 | |
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The e92 model of the 335 is unlikely to drop any more in price just because the new F3x (?) coupe appears. Indeed, there's a a fair chance, particularly if the new coupe follows the new sedan in being less a driver's car than the e9x ones are, that the e92 will hold a bit more of its value. The e92 cars on the road today will sell for less in two years than they will today. That said, if you can find a CPO 2010 or 2011 e92, with fewer than 9,000 miles/year on it, that you like and can afford to purchase, buy it. (Note, I'm saying buy, not lease.) The fewer the miles on it, the better, and the later it was first titled in any given year, the better. And yes, those 2010 and 2011 cars will be less expensive two years from now, but at that point, you'll be seeking 2012 or 2013 e92s not 2010 and 2011s. If you are at the very early point in the new coupe's life cycle, the dealer will have both new e92s and new F3xs, and of course you can compare the two and buy the one that suits you most. You best deal at that point, however, will still be a one or two year old, used e92 with below normal mileage on it as described above. Note: I said one OR two year old cars because some dealers don't like to give the CPO appellation to cars 1 or fewer years old. The main reason I can fathom for that is that doing so ticks of new car buyers. Consider that you buy a 6 month old CPO car. That gives you 6 years of warrantied driving. New car buyers can get that as well, but only if they buy the extended warranty ($2000+), which used car buyers get automatically by virtue of the CPO status on the car. And the dealer can't really jack up the price of the car more because on a car that new, you'd end up having to pay essentially a new car price, and obviously you wouldn't do that; you'd just buy a new car instead. Then their used car inventory sits longer, costing them more money. Dealers don't want to do this because, for the most part, there's more profit in a used car than in a new car. There's more profit in used cars for two reasons:
Good values among the packages: Cold Weather Package -- It's worth it if you want everything in it besides the washers. If you don't want all three of those non-washer elements, buy them as stand alone options. Technology Package -- For essentially the same price as what nav alone cost, you also get HUD. Nav is something that adds value on the wholesale arena. Premium Sound Package -- Satellite radio for $100 for a year isn't too bad ($10 more than Sirius' basic lineup if bought outside the dealership) and far cheaper than buying Sirius as a stand alone option. Plus the upgraded sound system also adds value in the eyes of wholesalers. Packages not worth the ink it takes to print their names: Premium Package - You do the math. When one could buy comfort access as a stand alone option, BMW priced it at 500. Bottom line: this packages calls upon you to fork over about $250 for a garage door opener and a mirror that dims itself, and one feature you can add yourself via coding (i.e., essentially for free). You can also use coding to obtain several (but admittedly not all) of the comfort access features. As goes the auto dimming mirrors, tinting your windows at 30% will yield the same results and I find 30% tint + auto dimming (my daughter's car) to be too dim to see any details on the car behind you (I like to be able to tell if the car behind me is a cop, although if lights suddenly appeared from nowhere and are rapidly catching up to me or effectively tailgating me, it probably is a cop because normal people don't generally do either of those things -- drive fast enough catch up to me or tailgate me). M Sport Package - It makes the car look nice, no argument there, but there isn't one thing in this package that'll increase its value as goes the car's future price on the wholesale market. Even the wheels in this package, are of no value at wholesale. The reason for this is that every car has wheels and those wheels either improve (by not being cracked, having little if any curb rash, etc.) the overall assessment of the car's condition and therefore value -- outstanding, good, fair, poor or scrap -- or they don't. The value of the wheels begins and ends at are they simple steel wheels or some nicer type of wheels, but all "nicer types of wheels" are equal at wholesale. The reason for this is that a used car with no wheels isn't a car, it's a relatively space-efficient configuration of connected, un-refurbished, used parts.
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06-11-2012, 01:59 PM | #8 |
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tony. your extraordinary reply should be included into some sort of buying guide. thank you very extremely much! Why do you suggest me to buy a 2010 or 2011 instead of 2009? Yes I am in a market of CPOs(2009 or 2010) or preowned(2011) 335xi coupe. Unfortunately there are only overpriced CPO in St Louis, MO. i.e., Two loaded 335xi coupe CPOs are asked for $37k(33k mile) and $40k(20k mile). I think I can score a 2010 or 2011 in other cities with lower price.
Thank you tony. Your reply has educated me about how to choose the packages a lot! |
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Tony, why is "Nav is something that adds value on the wholesale arena."?
There's no doubt that it's good to have a built-in NAV in car. But BMW's NAV even doesn't have touchscreen and is much slower in input speed, compared to an $100 Garmin GPS. That is, I can input an address into a Garmin within 30 sec, while a BMW NAV always took me 2 min to play around the wheel-input input system. If all NAV comes with HUD. I agree to pay higher value for the them together. But I don't understand why does one want to pay few hundred~1k more for NAV in pre-owned arena? |
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As go the packages, if you are buying a car with the intent of keeping it for 6+ years,, go ahead and buy the packages you want without regard to their lack of resale value. I keep my cars for at least 10 years, by which time the decline in value attributable to the package iis irrelevant in light of the overall decline of the car itself.
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Remember, we're talking about wholesale value, not retail. Accordingly, all navs are created equal. A car either has it or it doesn't. Wholesalers have neither the time nor the interest in determining the relative "goodnes" of this and that navigation system. They tick a box indicating nav is present, or they don't tick that box. The onus is on the consumer to educate him-/herself on the merits of the navigation systems found on the used cars they may buy.
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F32 will replace E92 and once the F32 comes out, the prices of the E92 will drop.....
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Indeed? For a seemingly intelligent person, that comment is simply BS. Is it that boring on the E90 site where real "driving enthusiasts" commiserate about the F30? |
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