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      03-24-2017, 03:29 PM   #23
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Nice! Are these the new PS4 or the PSS?

"And the Pirelli P Zero all season plus - possibly the best steering feel of the well respected A/S group."

Agreed. I put these on last October and still have them on. Best A/S tire, performance wise, that I've driven.
If you are asking me which Pilots, they are the A/S 3+ for my F30.

Glad to hear that about the Pirellis. The Tire Rack review was surprising. I had Pirellis a couple times before and they always wore poorly. How have these been for you so far?
Crazy good. Snow performance is what you would expect, but honestly better than I anticipated. The reviews in snow were scant when I got them, so I felt a little like a beta tester, but the performance has been superb for an A/S in wet and dry, and better than average for snow. Tread seems to be holding up well, but I can't imagine going over 20k with these. Some people are even saying they've had to replace around 12-15k, although I think some of those were staggered.

Highly recommended if you're considering A/S type tires.

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Which wheels did/are you going with?
I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but am pretty set on a square 19x8.5 BBS CH-R setup with 255/35/19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, the new replacement for the MPSS. In silver.
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Crazy good. Snow performance is what you would expect, but honestly better than I anticipated. The reviews in snow were scant when I got them, so I felt a little like a beta tester, but the performance has been superb for an A/S in wet and dry, and better than average for snow. Turn in is much sharper than previous A/S (Conti and Michelin), and grip is excellent. Tread seems to be holding up well, but I can't imagine going over 20k with these. Some people are even saying they've had to replace around 12-15k, although I think some of those were staggered.

Highly recommended if you're considering A/S type tires.

Yeah, I was worried about that. Saw similar results with my last set of P zeros. I can't see changing tires that often. I bet the Conti would last twice as long, but I can't give away any steering feel on this car. I don't have to decide for awhile so I will see how I like these for now.
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I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but am pretty set on a square 19x8.5 BBS CH-R setup with 255/35/19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, the new replacement for the MPSS. In silver.
I love those. My favorite wheel for these cars, they are just a little pricey, but very nice. I would get a set of 18" M3 wheels 513M style if the spacing weren't just a bit too aggressive for the F30.
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I love those. My favorite wheel for these cars, they are just a little pricey, but very nice. I would get a set of 18" M3 wheels 513M style if the spacing weren't just a bit too aggressive for the F30.
Thanks, they're a classic. Pricey, I agree, but I've never gotten a really nice set of aftermarket wheels and I'm trying to do this car up right in OEM+ style. BBS fits that theme well. Hard to justify 19"s other than for vanity, but they will add a bit of attitude.

I like the 513Ms too, feel like they have a motorsports vibe. But yeah, flush is the furthest I go on fitment as well, not into poke like some of the kids these days. My indy mechanic from my Audi days was really good at stretching tires and I'd always make fun of him when he was working on ridiculous fitments for the VW poke/stretch crowd. He agreed.
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I just swapped mine today too. Love putting my summer set on because they look 4,573 times better than the winter set. I don't think Europeans know what All-Season tires are. They do obviously but when I took my winter set off today I also took the stupid 'no faster than 210 kph' sticker off too! Where's the Autobahn?
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I changed mine out today, too. Goodbye to my Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s and my 397's. My 403's are back on...and I'm back to the RFT Bridgestone summers that the car came with.
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I changed mine out today, too. Goodbye to my Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s and my 397's. My 403's are back on...and I'm back to the RFT Bridgestone summers that the car came with.
I'm curious how you would compare these tires?
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I'm curious how you would compare these tires?
The PS 3+ A/S's are quieter and softer than the Bridgestone summer RFT's....with everything that comes with that. Turn-in is a bit quicker and steering was lighter, but the sidewalls are really soft and they squish around corners pretty significantly. Even after they were broken in, they compromised off-the-line acceleration and braking to some degree. For all-seasons, they were great but compared to the mediocre summer RFT's my car came with, they were a performance hit.

I don't regret buying them. We had enough real winter that attempting to retain my summer tires all year would have resulted in possibly crashing at least a couple of times. Our "snowpocalypse" was only about 7 days of driving so real winter tires weren't really needed, and we were near 40 degrees so much this winter that real winter tires would have had an issue because it was too warm for winter-tire rubber compound.

Moving from staggered 19's to square 18's was also interesting, and it's hard to say which bit of interesting came from the A/S tires and which bit came from the skinnier square setup. The back-end of the car was more playful, and the car was a touch less stable at highway speeds.
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Awesome!
Looking to change them Easter weekend. Hopefully the night temperatures will be over 45 degrees Fahrenheit or about that then.
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I'm curious how you would compare these tires?
The PS 3+ A/S's are quieter and softer than the Bridgestone summer RFT's....with everything that comes with that. Turn-in is a bit quicker and steering was lighter, but the sidewalls are really soft and they squish around corners pretty significantly. Even after they were broken in, they compromised off-the-line acceleration and braking to some degree. For all-seasons, they were great but compared to the mediocre summer RFT's my car came with, they were a performance hit.

I don't regret buying them. We had enough real winter that attempting to retain my summer tires all year would have resulted in possibly crashing at least a couple of times. Our "snowpocalypse" was only about 7 days of driving so real winter tires weren't really needed, and we were near 40 degrees so much this winter that real winter tires would have had an issue because it was too warm for winter-tire rubber compound.

Moving from staggered 19's to square 18's was also interesting, and it's hard to say which bit of interesting came from the A/S tires and which bit came from the skinnier square setup. The back-end of the car was more playful, and the car was a touch less stable at highway speeds.
To be honest I don't mind the Bridgestone's that came with the car. They were loud and everything you expect from a runflat, but I felt that they performed pretty well. Caveat is that I only got to use them for three or 4000 miles
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To be honest I don't mind the Bridgestone's that came with the car. They were loud and everything and expect for runflat, but I felt that they performed pretty well. Caveat is that I only got to use them for three or 4000 miles
I've only used mine for about 3k miles. I've been deeply busy this year at work and haven't had a lot of time to drive my car. At all. It's nearly a year old and only has 5k miles on it. I also don't mind the Bridgestone's, but I do feel that they could be "better" in some way that I can't quite put my finger on.

Hopefully life will calm down a bit and I can have a little more play time.
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To be honest I don't mind the Bridgestone's that came with the car. They were loud and everything and expect for runflat, but I felt that they performed pretty well. Caveat is that I only got to use them for three or 4000 miles
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I also don't mind the Bridgestone's, but I do feel that they could be "better" in some way that I can't quite put my finger on.
Funny you guys say that.... my thoughts exactly. I just got a 2015 328 M sport with 18" staggered and I don't mind the Bridgestones at all. However, living in NJ they are obviously not a year round option. I've been thinking about perhaps replacing them with a HPAS like the PS 3+ A/S or Pirelli P Zero A/S Plus. Of course my other option is dedicated winters and summers, so I'm on the fence.
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Funny you guys say that.... my thoughts exactly. I just got a 2015 328 M sport with 18" staggered and I don't mind the Bridgestones at all. However, living in NJ they are obviously not a year round option. I've been thinking about perhaps replacing them with a HPAS like the PS 3+ A/S or Pirelli P Zero A/S Plus. Of course my other option is dedicated winters and summers, so I'm on the fence.
Unless you don't have the garage space to store them or the funds to buy them (totally get either reason), I cannot recommend going to A/S's year round. I feel like the Bridgestone's could be better, but the setup (staggered 19" 403's with the BS S001 Summer RFT's) is a sufficiently more satisfying of a "performance" setup than the A/S 3+'s on 18" square 397's. Maybe staggered with 18's or 19's with A/S's would be a different story, I'm not sure.

I've never met a car that changes personality so much with tire and wheel changes. My old '13 328ix with 17" A/S RFT's is what I think of when people complain about "where BMW has gone wrong" and that issue was mostly solved by using Conti RFT summers on my spare 397 18's. Bigger wheels and tires, but it still had floaty base suspension...and it was enjoyable. The softer the tire/wheel setup, the less "BMW" these cars get. As far as I can tell. I might be wrong. I never had one of the fabled old "perfect" BMW's.

On both of my F30's, the tires have made the car what I expect it to be, and compromising for winter made the 328 and my current 340 less than I want them to be. With the 340 (adaptive instead of base suspension) though, it didn't actually make me dislike the car as it did with the 328.
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Yeah weather looking good in the Toronto area too... might switch out to summers this coming weekend.
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i too just changed the winter setups on both my wife's car (320i Sport) and my car (328i M-Sport 6MT)...always look forward to changing to my summer setup versus changing to winter.

I think my 328i has the stock Bridgestone S0001 RFT which to me seem to be a huge improvement to the Bridgestone RE050A on the 135i...those tires were not pleasant at all.
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i too just changed the winter setups on both my wife's car (320i Sport) and my car (328i M-Sport 6MT)...always look forward to changing to my summer setup versus changing to winter.

I think my 328i has the stock Bridgestone S0001 RFT which to me seem to be a huge improvement to the Bridgestone RE050A on the 135i...those tires were not pleasant at all.
Yes, I think I had the same comparison of my last run flats to my most recent set. The stock runflats and suspension tuned to match them on my 135i were a huge disappointment. These on my F30 were significantly better. The AS 3+ are better still, so far.
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