[motorsport_cat]

So the ALPINA version of the F30 has been revealed (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811899).

The 0-60mph time is said to be 4.0 seconds (with AWD). Now, think of this: BMW says that the M5 can do it in 4.3 seconds, although during tests, the M5 has done it in 3.7 seconds.

How fast in a straight line will the B3 actually be? This might sound absurd, but imagine a 6 cylinder car blasting to 60mph in 3.5 seconds.

Also, ALPINA can't make the B3 faster than the next M3... The next M3/M4 will be a rocket.

[rallybull]

from what I read in some other posts, BMW under estimates the 0-60 while Alpina overestimates...

[verbs]

Originally Posted by motorsport_cat

This might sound absurd, but imagine a 6 cylinder car blasting to 60mph in 3.5 seconds.

Porsche 911 turbos and Carerra 4S do it....
Nissan GT-R does it.
Etc...

[Mahzari]

Originally Posted by verbs

Porsche 911 turbos and Carerra 4S do it....
Nissan GT-R does it.
Etc...

Yes, purpose built sports cars can do it. So it's impressive that a 3-series can do it, too.

As for the comment regarding engine size: there are E34 M5s, E36 M3s, Toyota Supras, Nissan GT-Rs, and 911 Turbos with well over 1,000hp - all with 6 cylinders.

[motorsport_cat]

Originally Posted by verbs

Porsche 911 turbos and Carerra 4S do it....
Nissan GT-R does it.
Etc...

Yes, but they are cars from a completely different class...

[ZheHbKa]

Originally Posted by verbs

Porsche 911 turbos and Carerra 4S do it....
Nissan GT-R does it.
Etc...

yes and 4 cylinder dragster can do it 2s

[john08135i]

My 135i ran 4.1 0-60 and 12.7 in 1/4 on stock run-flats..auto.. its not absurd to expect 4 flat

[motorsport_cat]

Originally Posted by john08135i

My 135i ran 4.1 0-60 and 12.7 in 1/4 on stock run-flats..auto.. its not absurd to expect 4 flat

Wow

[drob23]

That Fiesta WRC Ken Block has does 0-60 in 1.9 sec.

[M3takesNYC]

Yes Alpina seems to overate their stuff. Evidenced by the B7 test recently against audi. It did not even make stated hp and lost badly to the audi.

The current m3 would outdo this new B3 let alone the upcoming m3. The current M3 has been tested at 3.9 to 60 but more commonly 4.2. 12.5 in the quarter.

I would have thought alpina would have went for 450.

I personally would never bother with alpina. I truly think their concept is becoming irrelevent with modern bmw's

1.New bimmers are getting so comfortable and relatively soft and luxuriuos that there is much less of a need or desire to get alpina for the added luxury they used to provide over stock. Still is improved but not nearly as much as it once was

2.With EDC and adaptable suspension, it makes no sense not to by the equivelent M model as you can now make M cars as soft as you want. The alpina used to sell the fact the M was more hardcore and alpina was more comfortable cruiser. Not true anymore

3.They used to add FI to NA engines that really added a ton of value as that is a huge aftermarket endevour for someone to do on their own. They made a ton of hp over the equivelent OEM version. Now with turbo's the regular bimmer model makes big power or is so easily tuned to make big power that alpina's power numbers are no longer difficult to match.

I don't think alpina will last on the same level as they once did

[motorsport_cat]

Originally Posted by M3takesNYC

Yes Alpina seems to overate their stuff. Evidenced by the B7 test recently against audi. It did not even make stated hp and lost badly to the audi.

The current m3 would outdo this new B3 let alone the upcoming m3. The current M3 has been tested at 3.9 to 60 but more commonly 4.2. 12.5 in the quarter.

I would have thought alpina would have went for 450.

I personally would never bother with alpina. I truly think their concept is becoming irrelevent with modern bmw's

1.New bimmers are getting so comfortable and relatively soft and luxuriuos that there is much less of a need or desire to get alpina for the added luxury they used to provide over stock. Still is improved but not nearly as much as it once was

2.With EDC and adaptable suspension, it makes no sense not to by the equivelent M model as you can now make M cars as soft as you want. The alpina used to sell the fact the M was more hardcore and alpina was more comfortable cruiser. Not true anymore

3.They used to add FI to NA engines that really added a ton of value as that is a huge aftermarket endevour for someone to do on their own. They made a ton of hp over the equivelent OEM version. Now with turbo's the regular bimmer model makes big power or is so easily tuned to make big power that alpina's power numbers are no longer difficult to match.

I don't think alpina will last on the same level as they once did

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