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      11-22-2011, 07:31 PM   #45
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Good post. Yea saintor was using the times for the cvt transmission fwd.. Very irrelevant.
I used the Multitronic mpg figures which are THE BEST for the 2.0T 211HP.

I used the Quattro Tip 5-60mph which are indeed disastrous at 7.8s as I said. Multitronic is worse than that.

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LOL Thanks for proving my point that FWD sucks compared to AWD. You qoute 7.8 for FWD A4 while the AWD A4 does it in 6.4 per C/D.
Not it does not make 5-60 in 6.4s. Ok now we know that you would write anything trying to make a point. 6.4s is what they got as a 0-60mph (not 5-60mph) and for a manual.

My info is once more correct and get your facts straight because you keep being wrong.
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      11-23-2011, 10:33 AM   #47
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Heard of R8. I guess not. You need to be more specific.

F30>A4
F30>Passat

because when you say BMW > Audi then you would be an idiot when a R8 blows by your BMW.
Your right, my bad... obviously i was not talking about r8 lol...i meant a4 and i meant Passat, but you can include all VW in there lol.
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i will go with BMW over the A4.
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im purchasing a B8 S4 over the new 335 right now. the 3 series is way to common. Everyone and their mom has it here in Long Island. Also the S4 interior is nicer IMHO but is more subtle in appearance. But as a DD it's gr8.

BUT 328 over a4 anyway. the a4 is way overpriced slow pos IMHO. And the AWD for audi sucks (drives like FWD) in their "regular" cars. The S/RS/r8 quattro with sport diff. is a different handling beast.
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im purchasing a B8 S4 over the new 335 right now. the 3 series is way to common. Everyone and their mom has it here in Long Island. Also the S4 interior is nicer IMHO but is more subtle in appearance. But as a DD it's gr8.

BUT 328 over a4 anyway. the a4 is way overpriced slow pos IMHO. And the AWD for audi sucks (drives like FWD) in their "regular" cars. The S/RS/r8 quattro with sport diff. is a different handling beast.
Hard to argue B8 s4 over 335...enjoy it.
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      11-23-2011, 05:34 PM   #51
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Obviously you've never driven one Small displacement turbocharged engines have been Audi's specialty for three decades now, going back to the original Quattro coupe that dominated the rally circuit (until it was banned for 'unfair advantage') with its "ridiculous" 2.1L engine.

The Audi 2.0T motor is an awesome powerplant. There's a good reason it keeps winning engine of the year awards. It's sturdy (iron block) yet compact and light, resulting in better wight distribution than a V6. It's also very quiet and smooth, having twin counter-rotating balancing shafts and plasma cut cylinder bores. It has much better mid-range response than most NA 6 cylinders thanks to gobs low end torque.

You have no clue what you're talking about.
BTW audi Quattros were not banned for unfair advantage in rally, they were just soundly beaten from 1985 onwards by the Peugeot 205T16, Lancia Delta S16 etc... Audi basically retired from rallying because the FIA banned Group B cars in 1987.
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You obviously like to take the 5-60 because it looks like the Passat VR6 crushes the A4
No, as it was already explained, I use 5-60 because it is REAL-WORLD. Nobody is doing 0-60,ph in the manner that these publications do.

BTW, It is 6.7s for the A4Q automatic, not 6.4s.
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Hard to argue B8 s4 over 335...enjoy it.
Thanks! I have a 1M as the weekend car, ill still love bmw > Audi. But i buy a specific model not a brand lol. I like/try to buy the best car in that segment. Like the 328i your ordering is the best car in its' segment IMHO. The 335 tho is competing with the S4 and id prefer the S4 over it.

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Well the A4 is no S4 but it doesn't suck if you drive it properly. Yes the Sport Diff does make a difference but the A4 with a thicker rear sway bar and lowered shocks handles amazing. You just have to learn sow to drive it. Most RWD guys get in to the A4 and then say it understeers like shit because they don't know how to drive it yet. I did the same thing when I first got my B5 A4. Friggin missed a whole turn. You have to take a different line and also go in real slow and come out balls fast. Most people go in the corner too fast and then then accelerate and once the car understeers they lift off. With AWD the secret is to go in slow and then floor it and don't lift off, this allows the AWD to do it's thing. Since the car is already heavier in the front lift off will just make it that much worse and keeping the pedal to the medal allows the steering angle and the front wheels to pull you in the direction that you want to go and the rear wheels are pushing in the direction that your fronts are pulling. I think the BMW AWD drivers may want to take not and try this method also.
It isn't that slow once you tune it either. it does provide about 276hp tuned. A simple K04 turbo swap and it should be close to 300hp.
Honestly I'm against AWD in every car, even the S4. Ive driven multiple AWD cars, and know how to drive them on a road course. I guess i just PREFER RWD and hate AWD cars that are mainly FWD. Also i hate BMW's AWD. If i wanted AWD id get audi only in the luxury car segment.

Also trust me i know what the 2.0T can do. I have a MKVI GTI as my DD right now that I'm getting rid of
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Yeah, I can't believe he's arguing that a Toyota V6 is some sort of a technical marvel. BMW was squeezing the same power from the same displacement back in 1983!
He's starting to argue for the sake of arguing.
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im purchasing a B8 S4 over the new 335 right now. the 3 series is way to common. Everyone and their mom has it here in Long Island. Also the S4 interior is nicer IMHO but is more subtle in appearance. But as a DD it's gr8.

BUT 328 over a4 anyway. the a4 is way overpriced slow pos IMHO. And the AWD for audi sucks (drives like FWD) in their "regular" cars. The S/RS/r8 quattro with sport diff. is a different handling beast.
You cant even tell the difference between car with or without sport diff unless youre over dbl speed limit on an on/off ramp or on a track. I've driven both....a lot. I'm trying to get rid of my 335 e92 ...S4 on hold .
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Well not really. I had my SD disabled for a week while they were updating the software on it and let me tell you that it is pretty noticeable when cornering even at 60mph. This was not a highway on ramp but the right turn kind of deal and without the SD it just doesn't happen.
See most people think the SD only allows the car to rotate but it actually does a lot more. The SD also allows the car to corner way faster. The sport diff actually allows you to maintain or add power by putting power to the outside wheels to turn the car. A car without it won't be able to rotate as well and also the ESP will brake the inside wheels slowing the car down to allow it to make the turn. This is the main benefit of the SD is it allows the car to corner not only better but also faster.
Well youre a better man than I . I know exactly how it works and on paper and track it is amazing. All I'm saying is how much of a difference does it make to the average guy? Where are you accelerating at 100+km/h?
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C/D had 6.4 in another article.


Nobody is doing 0-60mph? What do you think you are doing at the lights when you take off?
How many time do you need the same explanations before you get it?

As I said in my post #53, 6.4s is for a manual.

And as I said (again) in my post #27;

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How many times a week do you make 0-60mph with drop-off clutch from 3-4000rpm? .....* there you go*.

Again, 0-60mph or 0-100km/h is irrelevant, just a show to impress kids (and it works for you). What REALLY matters is the 5-60mph.
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You can say it all you want but you are the only one saying it and that should give you a clue who is incorrect of your assessment of the Passat vs A4.

Second I asked you when do you do 5-60mph vs 0-60mph. Most I assume race from lights if they do and that would be 0-60. How many people here do more rolling races than standing red light races?
You can also start from 0 to 60 in the same manner as 5-60, just mash it. I'll repeat you for the THIRD time.

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You can also start from 0 to 60 in the same manner as 5-60, just mash it. I'll repeat you for the THIRD time.
You really need to get your facts straight. If you go on the Audi website, which is the MOST reliable source you can get for information regarding the car, it states the 0-60 time is 6.7 for manual and 6.4 for automatic. This time does NOT include launch control. I don't know how to make if any clearer for you to understand. The figures on the website are also conservative figures, meaning the actually 0-60 time if a bit less.

Don't try to argue against this, go check for yourself if you don't believe me.
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You really need to get your facts straight. If you go on the Audi website, which is the MOST reliable source you can get for information regarding the car, it states the 0-60 time is 6.7 for manual and 6.4 for automatic. This time does NOT include launch control. I don't know how to make if any clearer for you to understand. The figures on the website are also conservative figures, meaning the actually 0-60 time if a bit less.

Don't try to argue against this, go check for yourself if you don't believe me.
Figures that I reported so far were correct in relation of Car&Driver who tested A4 only in manual and 6-sp. automatic.

Audi introduced the ZF 8-sp. instead of the traditional 6-sp. So the improvement doesn't come from engine but transmission.

Put a ZF 8-sp. transmission in a V6 3.5L camry instead of the 6-sp. and the 5.8s 0-60mph / 6.1s 5-60mph will improve as well.
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I'm not saying who is the better man or driver none of that nonsense. Maybe the tone is not coming through properly. Please don't take it the wrong way.
I have a street on my neighbourhood where I can take a right turn going about 60km/h and when I go to make the turn I accelerate to about 120km/h because the street I am turning onto is 4 lanes wide. I can usually accomplish this by drifting across two lanes with the SD enabled. The week I have it disabled I wasn't even close. Going into the turn the the car started to slightly understeer and then the esp already started to kick in. By the time I finish the turn going about 100km/h I was more or less in the 4th lane.
Hope that explains it a little more.
Yup, thanks.
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Figures that I reported so far were correct in relation of Car&Driver who tested A4 only in manual and 6-sp. automatic.

Audi introduced the ZF 8-sp. instead of the traditional 6-sp. So the improvement doesn't come from engine but transmission.

Put a ZF 8-sp. transmission in a V6 3.5L camry instead of the 6-sp. and the 5.8s 0-60mph / 6.1s 5-60mph will improve as well.
You should go and buy a Camry and hang around Toyota forums.
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You really need to get your facts straight. If you go on the Audi website, which is the MOST reliable source you can get for information regarding the car, it states the 0-60 time is 6.7 for manual and 6.4 for automatic. This time does NOT include launch control. I don't know how to make if any clearer for you to understand. The figures on the website are also conservative figures, meaning the actually 0-60 time if a bit less.

Don't try to argue against this, go check for yourself if you don't believe me.
Figures that I reported so far were correct in relation of Car
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Figures that I reported so far were correct in relation of Car
Well someone better call BMW M division and tell them that AWD is useless and overrated..........they are using it in their triple turbo diesel late in 2012 according to CAR magazine
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