11-28-2012, 05:41 PM | #45 |
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I note this debate has been raging for a while and its been a ping pong from one extreme point of view to the other...
The thing is gentlemen like most things in life it boils down to personal preference, from make, model, colour and options it is down to individual choice/taste. If a person feels VSS makes the drive that much more beneficial in enriching the drive then so be it..either way at a cost of £250 its not going to break the bank, IMHO even if it is a slight improvement on the standard then its money well spent. I am sure we could debate about a raft of choices/options which could be classed as gimmicks and a waste of money, but if in some way you feel that it has benefited you in some way then it was money you earned spent well. The truth of it is we are not making an investment here for a return, its about improving the quality of life before the grim reaper comes a calling..
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11-29-2012, 02:47 AM | #46 |
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Without reading all the thread again my question is has anyone said that it makes the steering worse in any way? If not then I see £250 as a reasonable punt, even if it only reduces the amount times I have to turn the wheel in car parks, which from my understanding will be its main advantage.
I am sure there must be other options that are worse value for money, as long as it doesn't spoil the steering in any way that is.
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11-29-2012, 10:40 AM | #47 |
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Have to say I am very impressed with VSS and would like it on all future BMs.
The quicker, shorter rack is a joy, and does give a sportier feel when going around the twisties. Oh and it helps in car parks too!
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MaestroAl and I see it from totally opposite poles. I tend to assess it the same as BMW do, and as directed to similar performance as the variable steering systems fitted to their 'sporty' models like the M-cars, (albeit in hydraulic form), or the F20 M135i as the VSS version of EPS. What I don't see from the 'loose' data which BMW are putting in the advertising blurb, that it is 100 degrees before there is any change in ratio, they simply state: Quote:
I'd love to see the actual form for the variable sport racks that BMW are using, but BMW are not giving too much away, anymore than they do for the variable ratios in the M-cars. Even in their detailed technical data, they just state an overall average ratio. Plus the lock to lock figures. For the BMW F10 M5 this is all that is stated in BMW data. Quote:
But each to his own, not everyone sees the value in an M-car either. A lot of money for a car that is 'nearly the same' as the standard models. HighlandPete |
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The F30 with VSS is certainly an improvement on the E90 with servotronic. Together with Sport+ the F30 320D has been transformed! |
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Interesting....I've got servotronic on my E90 and quite like it. I'll probably opt for VSS when it comes to replacing my car with an F30,
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When has cost and what folks will pay been on an equal footing with sales? Just look at iPhone, iPad, etc., etc. It is a bit like the 1300 and 1500 models cars, exact same specification, just a different engine capacity, but higher price point for the larger engine. Paying more for 'bigger holes' inside the engine. OK, that is a simplification, but additional costs are often a fraction of the selling price potential. HighlandPete |
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Is it just me or do you long for the old days when they set up a car from the factory that steered and handled well. Adjustable this, variable that, eco bore here, sport plus for the marketing execs to get to sales meets quicker.
Yawn bored. I want to drive the fucking car not play with buttons. The only reason we have electric power steering is for economy. It's not as good as hydraulic (try a new 911 even they can't get it right). |
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