[Weaselboy]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Yes, you can almost see it coming, "2-series GC".

Could be a popular model, would suit those who'd prefer a smaller 4-door BMW.

HighlandPete

Check this out. 2GC may be coming.

[metrathon]

What I think BMW needs is a 4 GC Sedan Active Tourer Sport X-Drive Coupe.

[Weaselboy]

Originally Posted by metrathon

What I think BMW needs is a 4 GC Sedan Active Tourer Sport X-Drive Coupe.

No wagon version?

[metrathon]

Originally Posted by Weaselboy

No wagon version?

Of course. "Tourer" is what they call the wagon in Europe.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by metrathon

Of course. "Tourer" is what they call the wagon in Europe.

To be pedantic here, BMW call a wagon a "Touring" in Europe. Then they confuse the whole thing with a new breed of Active "Tourer".

I'm sure Europe could use a 2-series Touring, as well as the 2-series Active Tourer.

HighlandPete

[Weaselboy]

Originally Posted by metrathon

Of course. "Tourer" is what they call the wagon in Europe.

Seems like just the other day you would stroll onto the lot and just decide if you wanted a 3, 5, or 7 series. Dealers are going to need bigger lots for all these crazy new models.

[Brian_R]

Originally Posted by Weaselboy

Seems like just the other day you would stroll onto the lot and just decide if you wanted a 3, 5, or 7 series. Dealers are going to need bigger lots for all these crazy new models.

Either that or just 3D print the cars at the dealership...

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Weaselboy

Check this out. 2GC may be coming.

That's the F52. There is no GC coming based on the F2x platform, it's nearing EOL.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by metrathon

What I think BMW needs is a 4 GC Sedan Active Tourer Sport X-Drive Coupe.

....with a drop top!

[clemsonkev]

.... and a stick shift! (and no cats)

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Not to put too fine a point on it, I didn't buy two 3 series for the appearance, the interior or anything else for that matter other than the ability as a driver to feel in my hands how the car was handling and a great engine.

Furthermore, if you want to be defensive about the F30, go right ahead, but let's not pretend I'm some lone voice complaining about the F30 against a chorus of universal praise. I was hoping that BMW would have resolved some of the issues experienced during my multiple test drives of the F30, but it appears that will not be the case.

We can agree to disagree, and enjoy our respective rides, just don't suggest I'm a bad guest or an A-Hole just because you're too thin skinned to read someone's opinion is different from your own.

After further consideration of my post's wording, and your sensitivities to it, allow me to retract the usage of "a-hole".
It was not received as intended as I did not intend to offend, but to say by way of example, that one should not act a certain way when visiting another's house so as to not be perceived in a certain way.
"A-hole" word usage retracted.

Of course we can continue to disagree, I agree.
Even though it seems I've offended your sensitivities be assured that I do not take offense to your personal commentary about my thin skin, defensiveness, or that, to you, I appear to be merely pretending to like the F30.

I can assure you that as an owner of an F30 Msport, who has direct experience and knowledge of the F30, I stand by my comments about this 3 series.
I've posted all over this forum my likes and dislikes about the F30.
I am also happy to read the growing number of positive reviews about the LCI 340i, and that the changes BMW made to the current 3 series have improved the overall automobiles. I hope my actual experience with my new 340i Msport will as positive if not more so than the reviewers.

As I haven't driven the new 340i I will consider all the reviewers articles and views in total. Doing that I see that indeed the LCI 340i is an improved 3 series, more so functionally than cosmetically. The small minority of reviewers, who had some big negatives on the steering, now clearly seem to be an oddity considering the much greater number of reviewers who either liked the improvements to the steering or were neutral. Yet it's clear that pretty much all the reviewers liked the overall car and it's improvements with no one calling it a "failure", and that bodes well for future F30 drivers.

I do accept the opinions of those who view the F30 negatively as a car that is not to their liking and even a "failure". I don't share that opinion, but I accept it.
If I felt the same negative way I would certainly scratch the F30 off my list and not waste any more of my time reading about it or posting negatively about it to actual owners, who aren't going to understand the truth anyway.
I hear ya!

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by bahasad

Not to hate on your ride, but I seriously drove and considered a Premium, S-line Audi A3 before purchasing my F30. The F30 had a far better powertrain, better handling, and the audi had zero feel either.

The S3 may convince me to ditch BMW, but a vanilla A3 is far less rewarding to drive than an F30

Yes, the S3 is a different consideration entirely when comparing to a 3 series.
It is smaller, more between a 2 series and the 3.
But performance wise it's all there, and I actually like how it felt more so than my current 335i.
Part of that feel is the size too as the F30 is a larger car.
The S3 is really sweet. I almost jumped ship, but no inventory along with being told it would take at least 90 days if not longer to order as it seems to take Audi longer to switch over to the next model year.
And the leasing numbers are awful too.
MSRP is surprisingly good, and makes for a good purchase option more so than leasing.

The A3 is a nice smaller sedan but it does not compare directly to the 3 series and it's not really intended to either.
BMW has yet to have an answer to the A3.
Rumors and spy shots abound about a 1 series sedan, but it's also being reported as being a FWD platform. If BMW offers a performance AWD version I'd be ok with that. The A3 is a FWD platform as well and in quattro form does nicely, especially as an S3.
Seems odd though to do FWD while the supposed coupe variant, 2 series, is RWD.
Why not just use that platform? It's already proven how good it really is.

[mweisdorfer]

There is no question the first year of the 340i will have a few bugs to workout. That is why you don't buy the first year model. The second and third models of the 340i is where it will be at.

I am curious as to why the x drive version is faster than the i version by .2 seconds in a 0-60 test.

Motor Trend had the xdrive at 4.4, which had to have the m-sport package and track package to get it that fast.

I would guess that BMW will make an IS in 16' & 17 and the F line will be done. G line will start in 17 maybe 18????

[Versipellis]

Originally Posted by mweisdorfer

There is no question the first year of the 340i will have a few bugs to workout. That is why you don't buy the first year model. The second and third models of the 340i is where it will be at.

I am curious as to why the x drive version is faster than the i version by .2 seconds in a 0-60 test.

Motor Trend had the xdrive at 4.4, which had to have the m-sport package and track package to get it that fast.

I would guess that BMW will make an IS in 16' & 17 and the F line will be done. G line will start in 17 maybe 18????

X Drive's have always been faster in a straight line for F3x, no?

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by mweisdorfer

There is no question the first year of the 340i will have a few bugs to workout. That is why you don't buy the first year model. The second and third models of the 340i is where it will be at.

I am curious as to why the x drive version is faster than the i version by .2 seconds in a 0-60 test.

Motor Trend had the xdrive at 4.4, which had to have the m-sport package and track package to get it that fast.

I would guess that BMW will make an IS in 16' & 17 and the F line will be done. G line will start in 17 maybe 18????

better traction off the line

[RPM90]

I picked up a 2015 328xi loaner from the dealer today.
These have 2 newer versions steering rack, iirc, from my 2013 335i Msport.
335i Msport was built July 2012.
There was a steering rack revision later that fall 2012, and I think another rack in the spring of 2013.

Anyway, I was very impressed with the standard non VSS steering in this 328i.
It does have more linear effort than my DHP Msport.
I could feel the improvement right off the bat.
If the new LCI rack has improved, then it could be very nice compared to early 2013 model year F30's.

Also, the stock non sport suspension was noticeably firmer than 2012 F30's I test drove before ordering mine.
Body lean/sway felt less and more controlled compared to my M adaptive suspension set to "normal". Driving it I was thinking WTF!? How can this non sport suspension feel this nicely damped and properly sprung compared to the M adaptive in my 335i in normal mode? In sport mode my suspension is firmer and still handles the rougher pavement in a better way.
This makes me wonder if I would like the static M sport suspension more than the adaptive I can't find a sport/Msport static suspension F30 on my dealers lot.

[bimmercar]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I picked up a 2015 328xi loaner from the dealer today.
These have 2 newer versions steering rack, iirc, from my 2013 335i Msport.
335i Msport was built July 2012.
There was a steering rack revision later that fall 2012, and I think another rack in the spring of 2013.

Anyway, I was very impressed with the standard non VSS steering in this 328i.
It does have more linear effort than my DHP Msport.
I could feel the improvement right off the bat.
If the new LCI rack has improved, then it could be very nice compared to early 2013 model year F30's.

Also, the stock non sport suspension was noticeably firmer than 2012 F30's I test drove before ordering mine.
Body lean/sway felt less and more controlled compared to my M adaptive suspension set to "normal". Driving it I was thinking WTF!? How can this non sport suspension feel this nicely damped and properly sprung compared to the M adaptive in my 335i in normal mode? In sport mode my suspension is firmer and still handles the rougher pavement in a better way.
This makes me wonder if I would like the static M sport suspension more than the adaptive I can't find a sport/Msport static suspension F30 on my dealers lot.

but isn't this 2015 328xi, an x-drive, so doesn't the non-adaptive suspension the soft kind?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by bimmercar

but isn't this 2015 328xi, an x-drive, so doesn't the non-adaptive suspension the soft kind?

Yes, the base 328xi gets the base non sport, non adaptive suspension.

That's the surprising part, how nice the base suspension is on this car.
Also, the steering feels quite nice too, and this is a base AWD 3.

I am comparing the 328xi base suspension to my adaptive M in my 335i, with the adaptive set to "normal" the softer mode.
My adaptive set to the soft/normal mode feels more compliant and softer, and has a bit more lean.
In sport mode the adaptive suspension is noticeably better over everything, and in handling.
In normal mode it feels softer than the base suspension, but also absorbs cracks and rough patches with more compliance.

I just find that interesting. I really have no need for the really soft and plush comfort setting and considered not getting the adaptive suspension for that reason.
With the static Msport suspension it's always in sport mode, all the time, and I think I may have preferred that.
But, I just got an email that my 340i is in production with adaptive M suspension. So, my choice has been made.

[Versipellis]

Does anyone use the Comfort mode for anything, really? I mean, the only use case I can see is if I'm on Boston roads with particularly heavy amounts of potholes...

[chiefneil]

Originally Posted by Versipellis

Does anyone use the Comfort mode for anything, really? I mean, the only use case I can see is if I'm on Boston roads with particularly heavy amounts of potholes...

Yup, anytime I have passengers. Or when I'm just cruising down the highway in a straight line. Or downtown where the streets are a little beat up.

[Tim182]

Does anyone know if the VSS has been improved in the LCI/2018 models?