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      03-26-2014, 02:05 PM   #45
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Yeah it's not like it'll be a night and day difference. Mid-cycle refreshes are very rarely something evolutionary.

Hell with BMW, full redesigns are rarely evolutionary, but that's ok, the styling ages well.
Personally I think the LCI brought some significant exterior changes to the E53 and E70 X5, I hated the Pre-LCI E53 and E70 but Love the post-LCI ones.
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Based on this thread, this supports my theory that the 2015 M3 will be a one year body style before the LCI arrives for 2016, which is exactly what happened with the 2008 M3.
M3/M4 may not get a true LCI at all. The F10 M5 only got new headlights and a minor tail light change. The F80 already has LED headlights as an option, so that leaves tail lights. Other small things could be a "running change" like they did with the E9x for Navigation, etc.

Basically, it would seem unlikely that the F8x cars get any type of "body style" change.
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still no LED tail lights???? Is this a joke?
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I'm squinting here. I still got nothing. Maybe we can get some side by side comparos? Magnified? And enhanced? Up to 11x?


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It'll be 2015/2016 when these LCIs roll out...

No way they won't have LEDs. The last Toyota Camry had LEDs. Nissan Sentra as LEDs. Hyundai Elantra has standard LEDs.

Shame on BMW if they use bulbs...
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M3/M4 may not get a true LCI at all. The F10 M5 only got new headlights and a minor tail light change. The F80 already has LED headlights as an option, so that leaves tail lights. Other small things could be a "running change" like they did with the E9x for Navigation, etc.

Basically, it would seem unlikely that the F8x cars get any type of "body style" change.
I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't look like this LCI will have any effect on the F80 at all, especially if they don't update the tail lights.
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M3/M4 may not get a true LCI at all. The F10 M5 only got new headlights and a minor tail light change. The F80 already has LED headlights as an option, so that leaves tail lights. Other small things could be a "running change" like they did with the E9x for Navigation, etc.

Basically, it would seem unlikely that the F8x cars get any type of "body style" change.
Yeah, the M cars barely get any kind of LCI update. The F10M only got updated taillights -- the headlights are part of an option that were introduced the same time as the LCI, but aren't standard equipment.

The E92M only got its taillights updated with the LCI too.
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can;t tell the difference lol
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Huh, this time around LCI is just new bumper lines and possibly lights elements.
Looks like the major change will be the price increase. Not for me. Thanks
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I think this this thread is highlighting possible cosmetic alterations to accommodate a new drive train, as was mentioned, as opposed to the LCI changes. Possibly larger apertures for cooling, redirected airflow, etc.

Since the new M3/M4 have substantial changes to their front ends, the LCI upgrades will more than likely be limited to the rear of the car.

LCI upgrades typically only affect panels and trim that are easily replaced, such as front/rear bumpers, lenses, various interior trim pieces, switches, etc.

However to say there will be no LCI enhancements made to either the M cars or standard cars is somewhat far fetched.

However subtle, there WILL be modifications made to the rear bumper, valence, and tail lights on the standard LCI cars. Their M counterparts will then follow suit.

There is absolutely no chance that BMW will retain identical exterior design details for its largest selling model, for its entire product cycle; period. Not in today's hyper-competitive marketplace.

However subtle, however minor, there WILL be cosmetic enhancements to both the standard and M cars as a result of an LCI.
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LED rear turn signals pleeeeease...even kia's and hyundai's have LED turn sigs. ugh.
Even my 2003 e46 M3 had full LED rears. I don't get it!!! When I was forced to order my 435i because the lease on my e92 M3 was up, I couldn't believe that 11yrs later I'd be getting a BMW without full LED rears!!
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I am gutted just got my 330 M Sport ... hope the changes to the M Sport version are minimal !!
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I think this this thread is highlighting possible cosmetic alterations to accommodate a new drive train, as was mentioned, as opposed to the LCI changes. Possibly larger apertures for cooling, redirected airflow, etc.

Since the new M3/M4 have substantial changes to their front ends, the LCI upgrades will more than likely be limited to the rear of the car.

LCI upgrades typically only affect panels and trim that are easily replaced, such as front/rear bumpers, lenses, various interior trim pieces, switches, etc.

However to say there will be no LCI enhancements made to either the M cars or standard cars is somewhat far fetched.

However subtle, there WILL be modifications made to the rear bumper, valence, and tail lights on the standard LCI cars. Their M counterparts will then follow suit.

There is absolutely no chance that BMW will retain identical exterior design details for its largest selling model, for its entire product cycle; period. Not in today's hyper-competitive marketplace.

However subtle, however minor, there WILL be cosmetic enhancements to both the standard and M cars as a result of an LCI.

Great logical explanation, and I tend to agree with you.
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Huh, this time around LCI is just new bumper lines and possibly lights elements.
Looks like the major change will be the price increase. Not for me. Thanks
Isn't that why it has been called "facelift" for all these years?


Honestly if they go changing the drivetrains, front, rear, wheels, LED lights and all that stuff, they may as well just slap a new badge on it and sell it as an entirely different series with the way BMW has been doing things lately.


I really don't see the f30 LCI design changing by that much. But this is what forums are for. We speculate about shit ... And stuff. And spread rumors. Yeah. Forums. Heck yeah!
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I believe the new B58 engine will be the current N55 + M Performance Power Kit = 332HP and 317 Torque. M PPK was a preview of new engine, probably, and the premium to get that is the cost to have the brand new engine before it comes out with LCI... Just my 2 cents..

And obviously if this is the case.. they won't release PPK for B58.. They may release one for next gen G30 to go through this cycle again may be?
Not sure about no PPK, I think that depends on various factors including the life cycle of B58 engine and whether BMW steps up to the S4 with an M Performance model.

Edit: oh I'm tired, G30 is next 3 series isnt it not next engine duh
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Another possibility, that I didn't see while skimming is that the LCI taillights are EXACTLY the same shape as the Pre-LCI. Plug and Play replacement LED's, no need to test them for 18 months, or really at all. Hope they have LED headlights as an option too, they might as well. Toyota Corolla's have standard LED headlamps. If I were in the market for a new BMW that offered them, I would demand them at no cost, if they are on all Toyota Corolla's, why are they not on every BMW as standard equipment?
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The E90 was like a one-off. Previous BMW's didn't get huge changes for the LCI but for some reason the E90 got one, taillight, headlight and pretty big change to the front bumper. I didn't and don't expect BMW to have such huge changes again for a LCI.
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No LEDS turn signals or brake lights???? What are they so cheap on that?
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I think that is because the E90 had that awful chrome lip above the kidney grills

The tail lights also didn't not form the L shape. It was correcting design deficiencies.
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Guys, what if we're all idiots and halogens are actually better than LEDs and BMW is saving us?
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Guys, what if we're all idiots and halogens are actually better than LEDs and BMW is saving us?
Hahahaha, that's the talk of shareholders meetings

If laser headlights are coming to 7 series there are no possible excuses not to offer optional led headlights throughout the entire BMW range, people are clearly happy to pay for them. Even the base Seat Leon has LED headlights now in the UK as part of an offer.
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i don't see the change... what's the difference?
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