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The recouping the cost thing is a silly argument, and should be calculated in miles driven, not years. Anyway, expect 2-4 years, a no-brainer value. Whether you want to give up the hp for mi/gal is a personal choice though. People who buy a car new and sell it 2-4 years later are throwing their money away on depreciation, so the cost of the Diesel engine will not be a factor. The naming structure of BMW makes absolutely no sense now. It used to mean displacement, then relative output, now I think it just stands for price. Silly- should have been called a 320d and sold at same price as 328i.
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Also, make the humongous F31 sunroof optional. That will also save weight and cost.
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Outstanding.
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Yeah, I test drove a 328 & 335 with the regular AT at a recent ultimate driving and both made for a super boring drive. 2nd-3rd-4th in the manual TDI is waaaaaaay more fun on tight New England roads.
I'm going tomorrow to drive a 328d xdrive, so ill get a better idea about that then. So far I have to say more performance/better numbers on paper =/= a more fun driving experience. |
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I have test driven both.
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If I had the choice I'd probably go with RWD too, just to get proper RWD handling, but I'm amazed that the AWD doesn't have a bigger penalty.
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I still think the world could use a real 328d with power that is equivalent to a 328i, just as it is with 320i/320d, 325i/325d, and 335i/335d. |
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Sudbury BMW has one listed in stock. The salesman I spoke to last night said that I could come in today to check it out. |
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The sunroof on the wagon is huge, adding weight where you don't want it and solar heat gain as well. I have sunroof on my 335i because it came standard and would probably affect resale if I didn't have it. It can be deleted on sedans, but I have a problem paying BMW to get rid of something when deleting it probably takes only a few keystrokes for them and is a cost savings to boot! On wagons, the point was made previously on this forum that sunroof delete on wagons in the USA is probably not an option due to crash testing standards. The thinking is that if all wagons come with it standard, crash tests would have to be made in both configurations to let one in without it. I want to call BS on this, as I bet BMW doesn't have to test 3 series sedans with/without sunroofs, but I guess it's academic.
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Sudbury BMW doesn't have their 328d in yet... :-/ It's on order and will be another few weeks before it shows up. It's listed in their inventory though, so the guy I spoke with last night thought it would be on the lot. |
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How does the sunroof on the wagon compare to the "panorama" roof on the X5? I ask because I have the X5, and while the sunroof is huge, the heat gain is minimal when the panel is closed. The area I live in gets close to 250 sunny days per year, and I've never noticed the heat coming through the roof. I have had cars with thinner sunroof panels that do let heat through, but the X5 has a relatively thick and apparently well-insulated panel.
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Why The F don't they bring the diesels to Canada/NA? I'd buy a 335D in a heartbeat.
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the problem is driver involvement != performance. you have to push these new cars MUCH harder to get them to feel "fun." at sane speeds on public roads they likely have more performance than you will ever need. in order to deliver higher and higher levels of refinement that mainstream consumers demand, the cars will necessarily feel more boring. also many tradeoffs are obviously made in the name of efficiency and convenience (e.g. electric steering, run-flat tires). probably doesn't help very much, but that is my impression of things. priorities, priorities... |
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