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      08-01-2013, 06:19 PM   #45
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the naming scheme for the US is still retarded ( i get WHY they've done it to justify the cost..) but your 328d is slower than our 325d !
This is a great car. Will pick up an x wagon version of this or 328xiT at some point used. Already test drove a 328ixT- very impressed. A couple of guys got a well-documented 50 mi/gal in a 335d, hyper-mile-ing from Chicago to NYC and back. If you extrapolate, that works out to 62 mi/gal in this car (maybe more if you consider 8 versus the older 6 speed ZF).

The recouping the cost thing is a silly argument, and should be calculated in miles driven, not years. Anyway, expect 2-4 years, a no-brainer value. Whether you want to give up the hp for mi/gal is a personal choice though. People who buy a car new and sell it 2-4 years later are throwing their money away on depreciation, so the cost of the Diesel engine will not be a factor.

The naming structure of BMW makes absolutely no sense now. It used to mean displacement, then relative output, now I think it just stands for price. Silly- should have been called a 320d and sold at same price as 328i.
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If I could drive a F31 328d MSport home for around $40k I'd be tempted. But at $50k-plus its just too much BMW tax.
They might start to get there if the offered the F31 328d with RWD. I don't need or want the extra weight and mileage penalty of the AWD version. Wake up BMW, 2/3 of the USA doesn't need or want it!

Also, make the humongous F31 sunroof optional. That will also save weight and cost.
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the naming scheme for the US is still retarded ( i get WHY they've done it to justify the cost..) but your 328d is slower than our 325d !

My 330D e92.

290ps/615nm. 7,2l/100km.

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Did you test drive the 328d & 335d or the 328i & 335i?
Yeah, I test drove a 328 & 335 with the regular AT at a recent ultimate driving and both made for a super boring drive. 2nd-3rd-4th in the manual TDI is waaaaaaay more fun on tight New England roads.

I'm going tomorrow to drive a 328d xdrive, so ill get a better idea about that then.

So far I have to say more performance/better numbers on paper =/= a more fun driving experience.
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This car would be a hit if BMW price it right. I believe 320d is less $$$ than 328i in Europe. Why are they the same price in US?
Make it cheaper, and you will sell many of these cars, BMW!!!!!
Because the moniker is 28i/d. So it'd deceiving. Ppl may assume its a 328 with diesel powered engine. Power output better than 328i when its actually weaker than 328i.
I have test driven both.
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These are under estimates. When probably broken in, can go up to 38 for the city, and 50 hwy
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There will be no 335d in the US.
Any words on 420d/428d for the US?
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Any words on 420d/428d for the US?
Don't bet on it. I can't remember the last time there was a diesel coupe in the states.
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They might start to get there if the offered the F31 328d with RWD. I don't need or want the extra weight and mileage penalty of the AWD version. Wake up BMW, 2/3 of the USA doesn't need or want it!

Also, make the humongous F31 sunroof optional. That will also save weight and cost.
On the sedan, the difference between AWD and RWD is 31/43 and 32/45 respectively. That's a difference of about $50 per year according to fueleconomy.gov. I'd stay it's statistically insignificant. The wagon's ratings are identical to the xDrive sedan.

If I had the choice I'd probably go with RWD too, just to get proper RWD handling, but I'm amazed that the AWD doesn't have a bigger penalty.
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I love how they yanks need an 8 on the end or they wont buy it HAHA.

its a 320d
Unfortunately, due to costs of federalization and the relative low volume of diesels sold here, MSRP is actually higher than that of the 328i here in the US. Because of this, calling the car a 320d would have been marketing suicide. Of course, they could have asked for less and subsidized the car with the rest of the lineup, hoping to build marketshare. But I suppose there was too much risk.

I still think the world could use a real 328d with power that is equivalent to a 328i, just as it is with 320i/320d, 325i/325d, and 335i/335d.
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Yeah, I test drove a 328 & 335 with the regular AT at a recent ultimate driving and both made for a super boring drive. 2nd-3rd-4th in the manual TDI is waaaaaaay more fun on tight New England roads.

I'm going tomorrow to drive a 328d xdrive, so ill get a better idea about that then.

So far I have to say more performance/better numbers on paper =/= a more fun driving experience.
My dealer (Tulley's Nashua NH) said they wouldn't have a 328d until late August. Where will you be test driving this car?
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My dealer (Tulley's Nashua NH) said they wouldn't have a 328d until late August. Where will you be test driving this car?
Haha, Tulley is where I went to do the Ultimate Driving Event on Tuesday.

Sudbury BMW has one listed in stock. The salesman I spoke to last night said that I could come in today to check it out.
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Haha, Tulley is where I went to do the Ultimate Driving Event on Tuesday.

Sudbury BMW has one listed in stock. The salesman I spoke to last night said that I could come in today to check it out.
I was there too on Tuesday. Took an awfully long time to get to drive the 335xi. Somehow I was thinking the car would be "firmer", but being xDrive... Like most everyone else here, I'd like to find a 3 with DHP, as what I drove did seem to "float" a bit (my last BMW was a 99 323i and I thought it was perfect).

Thanks for the pointer to Sudbury - I'll be giving them a call.
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On the sedan, the difference between AWD and RWD is 31/43 and 32/45 respectively. That's a difference of about $50 per year according to fueleconomy.gov. I'd stay it's statistically insignificant. The wagon's ratings are identical to the xDrive sedan.

If I had the choice I'd probably go with RWD too, just to get proper RWD handling, but I'm amazed that the AWD doesn't have a bigger penalty.
The mileage difference in real-world driving could be more, but you're right in that it's a small percentage. Regardless, I don't want the effects that sunroof and AWD have on handling. RWD is the way to go for those of us that don't need AWD for winter driving.

The sunroof on the wagon is huge, adding weight where you don't want it and solar heat gain as well. I have sunroof on my 335i because it came standard and would probably affect resale if I didn't have it. It can be deleted on sedans, but I have a problem paying BMW to get rid of something when deleting it probably takes only a few keystrokes for them and is a cost savings to boot!

On wagons, the point was made previously on this forum that sunroof delete on wagons in the USA is probably not an option due to crash testing standards. The thinking is that if all wagons come with it standard, crash tests would have to be made in both configurations to let one in without it. I want to call BS on this, as I bet BMW doesn't have to test 3 series sedans with/without sunroofs, but I guess it's academic.
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I was there too on Tuesday. Took an awfully long time to get to drive the 335xi. Somehow I was thinking the car would be "firmer", but being xDrive... Like most everyone else here, I'd like to find a 3 with DHP, as what I drove did seem to "float" a bit (my last BMW was a 99 323i and I thought it was perfect).

Thanks for the pointer to Sudbury - I'll be giving them a call.
Update:

Sudbury BMW doesn't have their 328d in yet... :-/

It's on order and will be another few weeks before it shows up. It's listed in their inventory though, so the guy I spoke with last night thought it would be on the lot.
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The sunroof on the wagon is huge, adding weight where you don't want it and solar heat gain as well.
How does the sunroof on the wagon compare to the "panorama" roof on the X5? I ask because I have the X5, and while the sunroof is huge, the heat gain is minimal when the panel is closed. The area I live in gets close to 250 sunny days per year, and I've never noticed the heat coming through the roof. I have had cars with thinner sunroof panels that do let heat through, but the X5 has a relatively thick and apparently well-insulated panel.
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Why The F don't they bring the diesels to Canada/NA? I'd buy a 335D in a heartbeat.
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I just did the math and where I live it would take 2.4 years to break even if you drive the average yearly distance for 35-54 year olds (which I am assuming is BMW's target market) of 15,291 miles.

Note these prices are according to Gasbuddy.com at my local gas station. So your results may vary.
328d:
Combined MPG: 37mpg
Tank Capacity: 15 gallons
Cost of Diesel: $3.64/gallon
Annual number of fill-ups: 15,291/(15*37)= 28 fill-ups (rounded up)
Annual fuel cost: (15*3.64)*28= $1,528.80

238i:
Combined MPG: 26mpg
Tank Capacity: 15.8 gallons
Cost of Premium: $3.75
Annual number of fill-ups: 15,291/(15*37)= 38 fill-ups (rounded up)
Annual Fuel Cost: (15.8*3.75)*38= $2,251.50

MSRP Difference: 38,600-36,850= $1,750
Fuel Cost Difference: 2,251.5-1,528.8=$722.70
Time to make up fuel difference: 1,750/722.70= 2.4 years


If you drive less than the average 15, 291 miles per year then it will take longer to recoup your money, if you drive more than the average it will take less time.
But which model has lower depreciation? My money will always be on the 328D...
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But which model has lower depreciation? My money will always be on the 328D...
If VW's TDI resale values are any indicator, I would say the 328d will have much better resale value.
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I currently have a 2006 VW Jetta TDI manual...

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Neither had DHP or the 8sp SAT, and though they were faster than my TDI, they were sooooooo boring to drive comparatively. My 5sp Manual might be a dog from standstill in 1st gear, but on the twisty roads of New England it's a blast in 2nd-3rd-4th gear. I just didn't get that with either of the BMW's.

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Any of you folks in interwebs land have similar experiences driving TDI's and looking to move to the BMW diesel?
i haven't driven the F30, but having some experience with VW's (an old Golf back in the day, and an '11 A3 TDI which we all know is a glorified Golf TDI), i think i have an idea where you're coming from. i remember that old Golf being an incredibly fun car to drive, even just going through some curves @ 20mph in a residential complex. similarly, the A3 is a fun car to throw around.

the problem is driver involvement != performance. you have to push these new cars MUCH harder to get them to feel "fun." at sane speeds on public roads they likely have more performance than you will ever need. in order to deliver higher and higher levels of refinement that mainstream consumers demand, the cars will necessarily feel more boring. also many tradeoffs are obviously made in the name of efficiency and convenience (e.g. electric steering, run-flat tires).

probably doesn't help very much, but that is my impression of things. priorities, priorities...
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