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The M Sport isn't designed for taking to the track in any serious way, maybe a quick run around but it's not a track car, seriously. You need to prep the car before contemplating that -- M Performance at a minimum. The M Sport is more about a cosmetic package that is sportier in looks, not performance.
No one here knows for sure, but I suspect it's really about keeping the cost down. The M Sport cars in the US are already slightly lower spec'ed than other countries, there is a pattern emerging. Also, NBT Nav isn't included in any US F30 except the AH3, another example of getting away with the minimum spec in order to reach a price point.
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Yep, there is a big difference for sure. But every cost they can pull out increases margin, along with every item they can move to the options list. I can't speak for other markets, but NZ cars come with a significant amount of extra standard options which you can't buy the car without. Don't get me wrong, we're still ripped off in NZ, but you can't compare the base RRP prices of these cars between NZ/US at all.
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I've read other countries pay more for a comparably configured car than the USA but I thought VAT and other taxes reflected the difference. Is it assumed US buyers want lower spec'ed cars or are other factors at play?
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We are also a much smaller market so the fixed costs of running BMW NZ and the dealer network probably don't help, either.
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Recommendation: BMW here's way to satisfy a diverse group of M Sport customers. Offer fog lights as a free standing option, with an attached warning like one we see, ["buyer beware"] when ordering high performance low profile summer tires. To my point, living in the Chicago metro area I'll more likely get a speeding ticket before overheating my engine.
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Rocky Mountain BMWCCA member here and I've tracked it at High Plains Raceway.....well, not my new 335 M-Sport yet, but soon.
That said, I experienced Limp Mode for the first time today. Guess that makes me the 0.1% who tracks their car and has experienced Limp Mode.
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Traditionally US is a very low margin market, with European markets being higher margin (except for UK). Nowadays Oz, NZ & Japan have become very high margin markets due to their currency strength. One or two Asian markets, such as Hong Kong & Macau, have low margins & low volume. |
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This sort of failure would simply look like the actual failure condition to the ECU so I don't think a code would be set that the stat is bad. It's just a simple switch. If this happens, a trip to the dealer is in order. The upside is that it fails safe, so you won't overheat or coke your oil. |
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You don't need to do anything to track a BMW other than adjust your tire pressures. I didn't say RACE, I said take it on track. It's not about spending $$$ "prepping" your car. It's about working with what you've got and improving your driving skills. I have a dedicated track car. I paid $3k for it and it currently has over 250k miles on it. I routinely lap guys in "prepared" M3s with twice the horsepower. You can't buy talent and you won't learn much of anything if you're driving a car that's smarter than you. |
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Only thing I've seen recommended as far as prepping daily drivers for the track is getting the brakes bled.
So when I take my car in Monday for some coding work and I tell them about my Limp Mode experience, will the computer's history of the event point them in the right direction or will they blow me off? I'd love to go in telling them everything you've mentioned here, but if I'm "that guy" they'll give me attitude. As it is I had to explain the whole ASS coding to them.
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