[tboooe]

Igor1080 , I feel your pain. Before you go down the path of respraying the whole bumper look into a partial paint repair. While I know this is not in NY, here is a link to a guy I used on my Audi with great results. The website will give you an idea to what can be done:

http://autocosmeticsolutions.com/

[exclusivo]

There is someone selling a set of blizzaks for 200 in the NYC forum. I have a set and drove through the snow and ice on Saturday night without a problem

[Mike_L]

Originally Posted by exclusivo

There is someone selling a set of blizzaks for 200 in the NYC forum. I have a set and drove through the snow and ice on Saturday night without a problem

I've been driving through all of the crap we've been having on All Season DWS's. Driver training has more to do with if/how you get through than the tires alone.

Anybody who hasn't already done so, needs to get themselves to a performance driving school to learn to properly control the car during low traction and panic situations.

[Thumper333]

Originally Posted by Igor1080

Stock All season, continental contiprocontact. Yes, I'm aware of the added benefits of a shortened stopping distance with winter tires. But I refuse to spend $1000+ on winter tires that I would have no place to store come summer.

I can not feel any sympathy. You made your bed.................it's yours to lay in. Sorry man.

Also, has anyone here pipping up about ABS ever actually tried the medicine they are peddling? ABS on ice is worthless. It doesn't pulse ANYTHING. ABS is for rain and dry pavement. Rain causes hydroplaning which when pulsed the tire regains traction by. You don't regain any traction on ice......it's ice......the ABS system just believes the car is stopped and the wheels stay locked.

I encourage you to go find a nice empty big parking lot covered with snow and ice and then just stand on your brake pedal, I think you'll be surprised.

He did the right thing, only thing he could do is release to let the tires try to get some resistance against the car. They just couldn't do enough in the conditions.

[exclusivo]

Originally Posted by Mike_L

I've been driving through all of the crap we've been having on All Season DWS's. Driver training has more to do with if/how you get through than the tires alone.

Anybody who hasn't already done so, needs to get themselves to a performance driving school to learn to properly control the car during low traction and panic situations.

Don't you have an xi? Congrats for driving through the foot of snow we've had with your all wheel drive and superb performance driving skills. My car is rwd, I need snow tires just to get out of my parking spot.

[Mike_L]

Originally Posted by exclusivo

Don't you have an xi? Congrats for driving through the foot of snow we've had with your all wheel drive and superb performance driving skills. My car is rwd, I need snow tires just to get out of my parking spot.

Yep. The GT only comes in AWD. Wouldn't have considered anything not AWD.

[EBIINYC]

Originally Posted by Thumper333

I can not feel any sympathy. You made your bed.................it's yours to lay in. Sorry man.

I'm not asking for sympathy or judgement. I'm simply sharing my story to find some relevant advice. We're all perfectly capable grown ups here so no need for pandering or judgmental attitudes. Be polite.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Been driving in the Northeast since 1992, on every kind of rubber available. Even chains. AWD. RWD. FWD. Winter tires are better on ice, no doubt. I have no idea that they would have helped in this situation though. They might have, they might not have. If you can predict how a car will react on ice, then you haven't driven on it enough.

You don't throw out the laws of physics when you add ice to the equation. My guess is you're not an engineer?

[Livfast335]

Originally Posted by Thumper333

I can not feel any sympathy. You made your bed.................it's yours to lay in. Sorry man.

Also, has anyone here pipping up about ABS ever actually tried the medicine they are peddling? ABS on ice is worthless. It doesn't pulse ANYTHING. ABS is for rain and dry pavement. Rain causes hydroplaning which when pulsed the tire regains traction by. You don't regain any traction on ice......it's ice......the ABS system just believes the car is stopped and the wheels stay locked.

I encourage you to go find a nice empty big parking lot covered with snow and ice and then just stand on your brake pedal, I think you'll be surprised.

He did the right thing, only thing he could do is release to let the tires try to get some resistance against the car. They just couldn't do enough in the conditions.

I agree that ABS doesn't do jack in ice. I pump the brakes and use the downshift to slow momentum. We get ice and snow non stop up here.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

I agree that ABS doesn't do jack in ice. I pump the brakes and use the downshift to slow momentum. We get ice and snow non stop up here.

So let me get this straight, you manually pump the brakes on an ABS equipped car. Pumping the brakes on ice is a stupid idea for a number of reasons, the least of which is that every time you do so you have to be careful not to lock up your tires. And even if you lock them up, ABS will kick in and start pulsating anyways. The other option is to apply constant steady pressure on the brakes so that you don't lock them up.

Out of curiosity, what winter tires are you using up there?

[Livfast335]

Pirelli sottozero runflats....

I've done the test, just letting the ABS do its thing or pump them intermittently lightly and on ice I found it stopped earlier....and my tires didn't lock up either.

Obviously I have to do this quickly, but I do that for ice only. The downshifting of gears also helps a lot.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

Pirelli sottozero runflats....

I've done the test, just letting the ABS do its thing or pump them intermittently lightly and on ice I found it stopped earlier....and my tires didn't lock up either.

Obviously I have to do this quickly, but I do that for ice only. The downshifting of gears also helps a lot.

For tires, those are performance winters. You'd probably get way better ice performance with studless winter tires. It's worth considering given your location.

Your test sounds fishy to me. The purpose of pumping brakes (which ABS does for you automatically) is so that your tires don't lock up. If you haven't locked up, you haven't exceeded the maximum braking force allowable. That means the "peak" braking pressure from your brake pumping is well within your traction limits. Now if you apply that same constant pressure the entire time, you will be able to slow down in less distance.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

You don't throw out the laws of physics when you add ice to the equation. My guess is you're not an engineer?

No, thank god. Anesthesiologist.

I wouldn't suggest throwing out any universal laws, but I've had bad experience with winter rubber on ice, and conversely, had great experience with standard radials on ice. Will winters be better? Of course. Will they keep you from having an accident? Neither one of our degrees can say for sure, which is what driving on snow and ice for over 20 years has taught me. I know that's not much compared to the indefatigable, undeniable, and unassailable laws of physics, but laws are broken in the real world all the time. Winter rubber is great. Driving with impunity on winter rubber is just dumb.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by Igor1080

Stock All season, continental contiprocontact. Yes, I'm aware of the added benefits of a shortened stopping distance with winter tires. But I refuse to spend $1000+ on winter tires that I would have no place to store come summer.

Now you have to spend $1,000 on repairs.. I have been driving all seasons for years on my car. This year I gave in and gave myself a dedicated winter and summer set. It's SO worth it. The winters to their job, and with summers the car performs so much better!!

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Now you have to spend $1,000 on repairs.. I have been driving all seasons for years on my car. This year I gave in and gave myself a dedicated winter and summer set. It's SO worth it. The winters to their job, and with summers the car performs so much better!!

The moral of the story is you have to spend money either way. Would you rather be proactive and prevent an incident or would you rather be reactive and spend it un-f*cking your car after looking like a moron who just wrecked into something? The OP bought/leased a BMW, $1000 for winter tires should be pocket change.

[KneeDragr]

My driveway is 110ft long and has a burm in the middle, so when it ices, I dont go anywhere.

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by KneeDragr

My driveway is 110ft long and has a burm in the middle, so when it ices, I dont go anywhere.

+1. Arguments about tires aside the one undeniable fact is that everyone who's had an accident on icy roads would not have had they stayed home. Whatever you think is so important that you have to venture out on icy roads isn't worth the risk.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Mike_L

I've been driving through all of the crap we've been having on All Season DWS's. Driver training has more to do with if/how you get through than the tires alone.

Anybody who hasn't already done so, needs to get themselves to a performance driving school to learn to properly control the car during low traction and panic situations.

Check the videos etc. A/S is still inferior to winter tires on all surfaces.

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by Igor1080

I'm not asking for sympathy or judgement. I'm simply sharing my story to find some relevant advice. We're all perfectly capable grown ups here so no need for pandering or judgmental attitudes. Be polite.

1000% agreed. I noticed people start bashing on someone who is in trouble or is having issues. Way back in the day on this forum, way before I even joined to participate, people were nicer, more helpful. Now, just badgering, criticizing, and oh yea, kicking someone when they’re already down.

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

+1. Arguments about tires aside the one undeniable fact is that everyone who's had an accident on icy roads would not have had they stayed home. Whatever you think is so important that you have to venture out on icy roads isn't worth the risk.

What kind of argument is that?
100% of people who had a car accident, wouldn't have had it, had they stayed at home...

And I don't know about you, but I still have to go to work even if the temperature drops below freezing.

Here's what I drove in for a week in Norway.

People didn't stay inside when the roads were covered like that.
You have to properly equip your vehicle, be aware of the road conditions and adapt your behavior accordingly.

@OP, sorry to see that you banged your car.
From the looks of it, it's minor though.
Had the same thing on the rear bumper (someone backed into me in the parking lot) and was fixed without a bumper replacement. Looks as new!

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

The moral of the story is you have to spend money either way. Would you rather be proactive and prevent an incident or would you rather be reactive and spend it un-f*cking your car after looking like a moron who just wrecked into something? The OP bought/leased a BMW, $1000 for winter tires should be pocket change.

Why looking like a moron? Dude's just in trouble and had bad luck. I drive in NY, as well. Ice is not really an issue here. I've only seen very little patches of ice on the actual roads. There are areas of course with ice, but i encountered them very very rarely. Plus he was going downhill. I hope that anyone can avoid an accident when going downhill. Crap happens. I've been driving on all seasons for 15 years in NY, and have not gotten into accidents yet. Granted when I hit ice, i wished i had winters on, but, like i said its rare here on busy roads and etc. Also, not everybody lives in huge houses with garages and storage space. Certain people do not have room to store 4 summer tires. And don't tell me if they could afford a BMW, they could afford storage cost and winter tires. Some folks save up long enough to purchase a BMW, and this does not indicate they're rich or have more money to spend on tires and etc. Some folks live in small apts and have collected just enough to lease/purchase a vehicle they wanted. Some have a choice, to live in bigger place, or lease/purchase a nice car. It is their decision, their priority, not anyone else's. If they choose to have a nice car instead of a nice apt, there's nothing wrong with that. Do not judge. It is their choice and desire. Other folks choose bigger, nicer places to live rather than a nice car. Nothing wrong with that too. Let's focus on what we do as human beings, instead of watching other people and judging their actions and living. Other folks can have both, nice car and nice place to live. Again, the dude hit a patch of ice coming down a hill. Could happen to any of us, independent of what tires they had or what car they drove. My co-worker had the winter ice tires on his subaru. He went upstate to snow-board. He was driving into a lot, and hit ice at like 15 mph. He ended up hitting a pole. Light damage. But, it happened. Even with winter ice tires, things do happen. He had all seasons for like 8 years before these winter tires, and never had an issue during winter. Things do happen. Let's be sympathetic.

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by stormlv

What kind of argument is that?
100% of people who had a car accident, wouldn't have had it, had they stayed at home...

And I don't know about you, but I still have to go to work even if the temperature drops below freezing.

Here's what I drove in for a week in Norway.

People didn't stay inside when the roads were covered like that.
You have to properly equip your vehicle, be aware of the road conditions and adapt your behavior accordingly.

@OP, sorry to see that you banged your car.
From the looks of it, it's minor though.
Had the same thing on the rear bumper (someone backed into me in the parking lot) and was fixed without a bumper replacement. Looks as new!

By the way...that picture...looks amazing. What a view!