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I'm guessing this is only for the N55 Engine?
Been searching the N20 Radiators, nothing came up except for the main central cooling. Anyways, Interesting find. |
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BMW lately sells about 400,000 3 series a year (260,000 are sedans) with 100,000 of those going to the U.S......(which comes to roughly 65,000 sedans). Someone posted a while back that only about 1% of all 3 series in the U.S. are ordered with the M-sport package. So that's about 650 sedans a year in the U.S. getting this package a year, and probably closer to 1000 a year once all the F3x models come out. Over a 5 year run you're maybe gonna sell 5000 total M-sports in the U.S. I'm a finance/accounting guy, and I can tell you that companies are much more apt to make one off changes for one large market like the U.S. as opposed to tiny ones like the middle east that might sell a whopping 100 M-sport cars over the next 5 years. Configuration changes for limited production runs like middle east 335i M-sports aren't worth the cost/benefit. Quote:
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I have been designing/developing product from cars to toys and electronics for quite a few years now. It's penny pinching and marketing at play here, not so much an engineering/durability issue. Am I 100% sure I am right, nope. But I like my odds
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Yep. When questioned on it, what do you think they say-the truth? They spin it into a positive-that is the job of marketing.
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There's an additional radiator for the 328i if it's either hot climate version or u have a factory fitted tow hitch. In US the additional rad is also fitted to M-sport ot Sport line cars or with "high speed sychronisation".
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They can & will make changes for very small runs of cars for individual markets, esp if it only involves the inclusion or exclusion of existing available features. For the case of US-spec M-sport the only new part needed is a mold for the no-fogs plastic grill. In the long run the mold pays for itself as they've reduced the cost by not fitting 2 fogs+bulbs, less wiring and a simpler light switch, not to mention less labour hours. |
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So, I'm guessing not one person in this thread ever has/ever will drive their car on track. People who don't understand just don't understand. You'll all correct. BMW is a cheap piece of shit company that likes to cut corners and screw over their customers every chance they get. What a bunch of douches you all are for letting them do that to you. I think you should all let your voices be heard and trade your POS BMWs in for some killer Kia's that come standard with fog lights. That'll show them!
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Show me a fucking race track near Philly, there are none!!!! |
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If the M Sport cars in the US market do in fact have additional cooling, it's a Legal/Marketing decision based the Market itself. The US is a far more litigious country than say the UK or the Middle East, therefore "overheating" claims and their resulting warranty and legal payouts could be a potential financial disaster for the company, as opposed to the nominal investment of additional cooling. Think "Class Action", and it all begins to make sense. It's unfortunately a sad commentary on modern Marketing and manufacturing that I've seen countless times over the past 20 years in the business... |
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There's a track within an hour of Philly - New Jersey Motorsports Park. Look it up. Then of course there's Summit Point, Watkins Glen, Pocono, VIR, etc. that are a bit further, but well worth the drive. So, you're one of the 1%. Therefore you have no point of reference or understanding about just how important cooling is. The BMWCCA is one of the largest enthusiast automotive clubs in the world (if not THE largest). Imagine the other side of the coin if BMW didn't take this into consideration. Not having fog lights is a small price to pay for not burning down cars on track. These motors run very, very high oil temperatures. It's not a game. Even if only 1% actually do track their cars, don't you think it would be a bit ridiculous if BMW just ignored that fact and delivered cars that weren't able to handle it? Sure, they're not P-cars or F-cars, but they're still a well respected, performance-oriented brand. You just don't deliver a product that "looks" like it will deliver, but ultimately doesn't. By the way, I'm not making this up. It's straight from the proverbial horse's mouth. I'm not guessing, speculating or theorizing. Hate all you want, I really don't care. I just think it's ridiculous how many folks on here resort to conspiracy theories to explain away things they don't understand. And it's even MORE ridiculous the same damn crap is brought up over and over again when it's been played out a million times before. The OP started a thread about the fact that he discovered the M Sport has auxiliary cooling. It's degraded into a bitchfest about BMW cheapening their products and hiding that fact behind bullshit marketing. |
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Can we get back to the topic of how this different cooling setup can possibly cause the fan to go Full Blast and dead throttle when its not even hot outside?
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I am one of the few who do track their cars, modify their cars. It's not so much a conspiracy. Take the rose colored glasses off. BMW is a corporation first. One out to make money. No one is saying they made an inferior product by deleting the fog lights for NA cars. But for a long time now, fog lights are one of these features stripped from model to model as a means of saving money. If you look at the shape and surface area of the fog light, you would see, it's not a deal breaker. Fact is, if the fog light really was a restriction NO where in the world would they be installed on the M-Sport. You happen to notice in other countries M-Sports either come with the bigger brakes or it's a $350 option? Nothing like that for the US?(unless you count M-Performance stuff for $2k) Why is that? Oh yeah, BMW wanted to keep the unsprung weight down on the US cars because US drivers are more concerned with handling over braking.
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I bought a hardtop for the Roadster just so I could track with the CCA. Nope, politics and fear of being sued keeps all open top cars from participating, even rollbar/hardtop cars. So I did events with the Audi club of all people. Now with the F30, I can play in all their reindeer games
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If these cars are produced in a factory that can handle adjustments like this in the blink of an eye, and the cars meant for the middle east don't have something different about them which prevents the extra cooling from being fit-able without having to move other components around, then no it's not a problem. I understand the litigious aspect as well. Car companies figure out the probability and cost of a lawsuit and compare it to the cost to make an adjustment. The chance of one of the 10-20 middle east M-sport car purchasers per year suing BMW for cooling issues is next nothing. If it costs more for BMW to add the extra cooling vs. just plugging in some fog lights then there's no business case to provide the extra cooling to the middle east. Whether it's production cost increases or litigation likelihood, the fact that only a handful of M-sports will go to the middle east could very likely be a big factor in why they're not getting the extra cooling. |
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Your thoughts are really hard to follow but whatever. Fog lights or not I don't give 2 shits. I was just making a side comment about the fact only very few people track their cars and therefore the justification of tracking/racing was bogus to explain this omission. ALSO, cars that are tracked should and are prepped for this purpose, nobody would track a stock F30 unless they were retarded or tracking it 2 times a year. SO, to rely on BMW to prep your car for tracking is a fail proposition. This can't be the explanation. The explanation is either economics or warm weather which is a little far fetched but not as much as the tracking explanation! |
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As for no-fogs, BMW can offset the extra cost of the additional cooling with not fitting fogs. |
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