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      03-05-2014, 12:50 AM   #67
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      03-05-2014, 01:39 AM   #68
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Looks like an Infiniti...



Do you consider this a 4dr hatchback?

I would disagree, but I'd love for BMW to bring the M135i or the 335i Sport Wagon to North America... Instead we get 4 different versions of the same car, none of which can assist me with my Home Depot purchases.
Hi. I still subscribe to what I guess is old school nomenclature, and would call this a 5dr hatchback (my 928s being 3dr hatchbacks). Obviously that is not what BMW calls it. But whatever the term of art, it has a hatch on the back, and folding seats, which permits the loading of quite large and bulky items. What do you buy from Home Depot that will fit in the Wagon but not this?

I shop at home supplies stores all the time, and people are constantly shocked at what fits under the hatch in my 928s. Last night when I picked up four new tires (255 wide) for my 928, a guy with a wagon offered me a hand as I wheeled them out to the car. He was surprised to see all four, under the closed hatch, as we both were leaving. A sloping hatch makes for an extremely practical vehicle. I too would love for BMW to bring the M135i or the 335i Sport Wagon (non X-drive) to North America! I would have purchased the later already. But this is what we get, and it is vastly better than no rear drive hatchbacks at all.

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Should be Tanzanite Blue Metallic. But it is a bit hard to tell with the show-lighting.
No, it's definitely Carbon black that comes only with m-sport. Under heavy lightning it shines more and more like a dark blue. Had it on my Z4 coupe, very nice color...

I like the 4gc as the hatchback it actually is. More Stylish & more practical than a 3 series sedan.
The only thing i cannot understand is, why bmw put than stupid "gran coupe" logo on the side. It's neither gran nor a coupe.
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      03-05-2014, 03:31 AM   #70
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Gotta be honest, the more pictures I see, the less i get this car. With the e9x sedan/coupe it always made sense to me that the M3 sedan got the nose of the coupe (i.e. sportier). But the 4 Gran Coupe looks like more of a hybrid of the GT (least sporty) and the 4 Series (most sporty) rather than a sportier version of the 3 series. To me it would have made more sense to give the M3 sedan some of the 4 series styling cues/nose and kept with that methodology.

I guess if they feel they can sell enough of these at a premium over the 3 series thats all that matters, but I just dont think its different enough from a 3 series to warrant the premium over the 3 series and I dont think its convincingly coupe-enough to draw 4 series buyers who want more utility. I absolutely think it works with the 6 Gran Coupe, but I am just not feeling it here.
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      03-05-2014, 05:48 AM   #72
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I'ts carbon black, tanzanite would have a lot more blue in those show lights. Nice car can't wait to see it driving around!
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      03-05-2014, 05:51 AM   #73
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I think they screwed up, but it is kind of ok: instead of being breathtaking like the 6GC it is still a nice car.

I also think it is Carbon black, salon lightning is so bright it also look like it is in full direct sunshine. It is the same with Tanzanite blue, looking very blue in conventions and so dark otherwise.
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I think it looks amazing and digging the hatch too. Also I think it looks more coupe-like than the 6GC.
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      03-05-2014, 08:10 AM   #76
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seems that most on here agree with me that the car in the pictures is def Carbon Black
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Nice...

Yet we still cannot get LEDs on any 3 series and halogens remain standard when Seat are offering LED headlights free on their equivalent of the 1 series and undercutting significantly.

How about less variation and a bit more standard kit. As lovely as it is, not all of us want hundreds of permutations of the same car with a slightly different roofline.

I wouldn't mind all this overselling and paying for hundreds of options if there was a BMW equivalent of the P1 or 918 in the waiting that needed to be paid for.
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Why all the hatchback hate in the English speaking world? I'm not a convertible person at all, but I don't go to convertible threads and bash convertibles. They are not my scene, but clearly there is a market for them. And I think it is great that people that want such cars can buy them. There are almost no rear drive hatchbacks available. What is wrong for people who want a rear drive hatchback to finally be able to buy one?
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It actually looks allot frumpier in person...and it's much smaller than I thought.

The press photos made it look stunning...I'm not so sure now.

Someone needs to do side by side comparisons with the sedan coupe, gt, etc., as the first side by sides were worthless, as they weren't dimensionally correct; all the photos had the cars blown up so they all appeared to be the same size.
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It actually looks allot frumpier in person...and it's much smaller than I thought.

The press photos made it look stunning...I'm not so sure now.
I agree with that. On press photos it just looks fantastic, but in real life it looks a bit out of dimension. It's still a beautiful car, but I would rather go for the 3 GT
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Hi. I still subscribe to what I guess is old school nomenclature, and would call this a 5dr hatchback (my 928s being 3dr hatchbacks). Obviously that is not what BMW calls it. But whatever the term of art, it has a hatch on the back, and folding seats, which permits the loading of quite large and bulky items. What do you buy from Home Depot that will fit in the Wagon but not this?

I shop at home supplies stores all the time, and people are constantly shocked at what fits under the hatch in my 928s. Last night when I picked up four new tires (255 wide) for my 928, a guy with a wagon offered me a hand as I wheeled them out to the car. He was surprised to see all four, under the closed hatch, as we both were leaving. A sloping hatch makes for an extremely practical vehicle. I too would love for BMW to bring the M135i or the 335i Sport Wagon (non X-drive) to North America! I would have purchased the later already. But this is what we get, and it is vastly better than no rear drive hatchbacks at all.

Cheers
I stand corrected

I pick up a lot of wood and have the extra height in the wagon helps when laying it across the seats. In the E90 the small trunk opening kept me from carrying a lot of bulker items, but you are correct, that would not be a problem with the hatch/trunk on the 4GC.

I too would have purchased a 335i Sport Wagon, but instead I drive an Audi and there is not a day that goes by that I wish it were a 335i Wagon (<--- look BMW NA!).
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Cant wait to see the 3 series coupe!
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looks like carbon black to me
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Is that carbon black metallic?
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No, it's definitely Carbon black that comes only with m-sport. Under heavy lightning it shines more and more like a dark blue. Had it on my Z4 coupe, very nice color...
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I'ts carbon black, tanzanite would have a lot more blue in those show lights.
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I also think it is Carbon black, salon lightning is so bright it also look like it is in full direct sunshine. It is the same with Tanzanite blue, looking very blue in conventions and so dark otherwise.
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seems that most on here agree with me that the car in the pictures is def Carbon Black
It is Carbon Black, dark blue is NOT available with M-Sport (for whatever reason).

Also Carbon Black seems to be the marketing color for the 4GC, like Mineral Grey was for the 4 and Melbourne Red for the 2.


I just wish Carbon Black would be available for the normal 4 (non-GC)
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Adding the 2 and 4 series was never about separating the coupes from the sedans. BMW had/has 20 models coming out and they couldn't name them all 3 series. The even series consists of the sports models and the odd series are for the utilitarian models - sedans/wagons/gran tourers/suvs versus coupes/cabrios/gran coupes/savs.

The problem with the 4GC is that it is the 4 series version of the 3GT and not a coupe with 4 doors like the 6GC. Add in the FWD 2 series Active Tourer and now the numbering system just denotes size,luxury and price.
Actually it was. At least according to BMW's initial PR and someone I know that actually works at BMW overseas. This happens all the time in big companies. I have seen it time and time where you have a product team to make a decision that makes sense that gets overridden later on by a new manager or someone up the chain that wants to stamp their name on the project to personalize it. Some do it out of spite for the previous manager because most people try to make a name for themselves and hate to follow a predecessor. It is about as commonplace in marketing and product teams as toilet paper in a bathroom.
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this is the perfect sedan; I think the new 5er should also have this cargo-solution.
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looks NOTHING like the style of the 6GC, which looks pretty damn awesome. they should name this the 4gT....
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It's not hard to understand if you buy into BMW's assertion that this car IS a coupe (I don't buy it). Since they insist that it's a coupe (it says Gran Coupe right on it) then it can be a 4 series. Same with the 6 Gran Coupe that's been out for a while now. BTW, a friend of mine just bought a 650i GC and it is stunning. I don't care what they call it or what number it has on it's ass.
Exactly you have some DA that is not in marketing most likely trying to call the shot and saying, "how cool it would be to change the definition of coupe." In German of course.

Agree the 6 GC is a beautiful car. I don't care what they call the cars either, just funny seeing a company such as BMW have an initial good strategy F**K it to hell in the end. Like my old boss said, "in order to be successful in life, you just have to be average as most people suck at their job." This being a perfect example of a complete product marketing failure 101.
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actually this falls in line with bmw's strategy regarding the even numbers being coupes and the odd numbers being sedans...you guys really think that BMW didn't think this through when changing naming conventions? it allows them to align themselves with its competitors AND allows for more in the overall product line. its called a long range plan, not an oops, lets just do it anyways.
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