[Tengocity]

Maybe I notice them more because I'm in one, and the most popular colour at that too. I see a few every drive to and from work, and the 330e is by far and away the most common one to see. Remarkably few 320d however, which has been the mainstay for the last 3 generations.

I think people over estimate how many they'd expect to see of a new car and it takes a fair bit of time for any new car to make up a substantial proportion of the cars on the road compared to something that's been on sale for 7 years.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Kal101

Absolutely. It’s put me off upgrading and I’ve kept and paid off my 335xd. £130 per yr road tax. Can’t stomach the fact that it’s anything but a “Rich” tax ,after all the car doesn’t produce less pollution,congestion etc after 5 years.

Also annoys me that the manufacturers don’t just knock the “ discount “ off the list price to start with in order to bypass this tax

Can’t imagine it’s helping any British car makers , don’t think JLR have anything sub 40K.( Appreciate they’re Indian owned but look at their UK infrastructure)

To be clear, I don't agree with the road tax surcharge on cars costing over £40k. However, I don't really understand why it would represent a significant deterrent to people buying those cars; inequitable though it is, IMO the extra cost is peanuts in the context of buying/renting a car of that value (which is probably why the government thought it would get away with introducing it in the first place!).

[330XDave]

Hence why I said it's another small thing to think about. In itself it's not significant but added with the fact that list prices have increased far ahead of inflation over the last 10 years and other factors you can see why there are fewer and fewer new cars being bought.

[thescouselander]

Originally Posted by JNW1

To be clear, I don't agree with the road tax surcharge on cars costing over £40k. However, I don't really understand why it would represent a significant deterrent to people buying those cars; inequitable though it is, IMO the extra cost is peanuts in the context of buying/renting a car of that value (which is probably why the government thought it would get away with introducing it in the first place!).

Who pays the sticker price though? A £40k car realistically might only be bought for a bit over £30k and another £30 a month might be nearly 10% of the monthly payment on the car so it's not insignificant at all.

[SuperHamz]

I've seen a few saloons around, not many though. Saw a Touring for the first time yesterday - I'm not too keen on the styling, but then I might be biased

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by thescouselander

Who pays the sticker price though? A £40k car realistically might only be bought for a bit over £30k and another £30 a month might be nearly 10% of the monthly payment on the car so it's not insignificant at all.

£30 a month is probably less than you pay for gym membership, mobile phone contract, daily coffee, etc etc.... so in the scheme of most people on here's spending patterns its not a big sum.

And lets be honest if they hadnt brought in the flat rate and luxury car rfl rates, they would have had to get the money elsewhere like more on fuel duty, or VAT.... I find the extra £300 a year for an expensive car easier to defend than the increases on electric cars or really small runarounds, where the cost has gone from £0 a year to £140 a year - for people who are often running on a tight budget....

I worked on a the principle that I might as well get good value and go well over the £40k threshold....

[Savageenterprise]

I've seen a bunch of them but my lack in interest in the car is probably subconsciously affecting me to recognize that they are on the road.

There is a an M340i right near my house that I've seen come down my block a bunch. Still not that impressed TBH

[RobUK]

See quite a few round the roads of Sussex, e.g. one or two a day. Only seen one M340i which I followd a short way before it pulled into a lay-by. Usually when a new model comes out you're filled with 'want one' but the G2x has left me cold so far.

One thing that strikes me is that the G2x rear lights are a single strip on each side. Surely these stand out less at night than the double strips of the F3x ?

[Wills2]

I haven't seen many G20s but I don't see many new X3s either.

[Kal101]

Originally Posted by JNW1

To be clear, I don't agree with the road tax surcharge on cars costing over £40k. However, I don't really understand why it would represent a significant deterrent to people buying those cars; inequitable though it is, IMO the extra cost is peanuts in the context of buying/renting a car of that value (which is probably why the government thought it would get away with introducing it in the first place!).

Just another nail in the coffin , but it’s the inequity that burns me.

[Manivxr]

See them quite often. Increasingly more often.

[Alscoob]

Saw another this morning followed by a Skoda Octavia and thought how remarkably alike the front grilles are.....

[Wills2]

I've seen a few Model 3s knocking about locally though for the first time.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I've seen a few Model 3s knocking about locally though for the first time.

Those things seem to be everywhere.

I haven't seen too many G20s either, not as many as I'd expect.

On the model 3, i find it really irritating when the Tesla fans refer to it as the M3.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Those things seem to be everywhere.

I haven't seen too many G20s either, not as many as I'd expect.

On the model 3, i find it really irritating when the Tesla fans refer to it as the M3.

It's very odd though as when you look on the SMMT website for the registration numbers they aren't listed which I find strange as they must have sold and be selling quite a few in the UK.

Just checked that and Tesla won't supply the numbers, so they are included in the "other" section.

[smorg99]

Seen a few around the mean streets of Sheffield.

I prefer the styling of my F30 to be honest but I must admit I do like the interior in the G's.

As somebody else put, I don't get that immediate 'want one' feeling when I see one, but I do when I look inside...

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Wills2

It's very odd though as when you look on the SMMT website for the registration numbers they aren't listed which I find strange as they must have sold and be selling quite a few in the UK.

Just checked that and Tesla won't supply the numbers, so they are included in the "other" section.

I'd heard the same about the monthly sales figures, the model 3 was in the top three (?) in August or so, but under 'others'.

Howmanyleft has them, but runs a quarter or two behind. Has just a handful of Q2 Teslas right now.

Another off topic detail - the Tesla share price has gone bonkers in recent days and was touching $400 just now , up from $250ish. End of year shorts closing or good news based, i am not sure. Maybe Elon has promised something.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I'd heard the same about the monthly sales figures, the model 3 was in the top three (?) in August or so, but under 'others'.

Howmanyleft has them, but runs a quarter or two behind. Has just a handful of Q2 Teslas right now.

Another off topic detail - the Tesla share price has gone bonkers in recent days and was touching $400 just now , up from $250ish. End of year shorts closing or good news based, i am not sure. Maybe Elon has promised something.

Apparently they are going to slash the price of the Model 3 in China and get around tariffs by sourcing more parts there, $72 billion valuation and no profit to speak of, crazy world.

[Tengocity]

All of those saying the looks of a G20 doesn't give you much "want" factor.... try driving one and then when you get back in your F30 car that will all change!

G20 3 series is the biggest improvement from one generation of 3 series to the next since the E30 to E36 that I can remember.

My 330e is absolutely light years ahead of my F30 cars for driving dynamics, as it handles and rides wonderfully, it's got the refinement the F30 sorely lacked, and the new tech is much improved. Even things like Adaptive cruise all work in a much better way than it did before.

The drivetrains may mostly be much the same, but the hybrid system is much much better, and I am sure that it's the ideal choice for a lot more folk now, or indeed perhaps even sweet spot of the range... Though I've still to try the M340i.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

All of those saying the looks of a G20 doesn't give you much "want" factor.... try driving one and then when you get back in your F30 car that will all change!

I agree completely. Just after launch in March, my 335d was at the dealer for the day and I was lent a G20 320d. Having driven quite a few loan 320d/420d in F Series form, I was really surprised by the level of refinement and build.

The G20 feels just as well made as the G30 5 Series to me, which is a pretty high bar. It is genuinely a small 5 Series now, as it always should have been.

[335dX]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

All of those saying the looks of a G20 doesn't give you much "want" factor.... try driving one and then when you get back in your F30 car that will all change!

G20 3 series is the biggest improvement from one generation of 3 series to the next since the E30 to E36 that I can remember.

My 330e is absolutely light years ahead of my F30 cars for driving dynamics, as it handles and rides wonderfully, it's got the refinement the F30 sorely lacked, and the new tech is much improved. Even things like Adaptive cruise all work in a much better way than it did before.

The drivetrains may mostly be much the same, but the hybrid system is much much better, and I am sure that it's the ideal choice for a lot more folk now, or indeed perhaps even sweet spot of the range... Though I've still to try the M340i.

THIS!

I collect my 6 month old, 3500 mile 330i G20 on Sunday. My 335dx is going to my other half, their awful Insignia is going back thank god.

Having had 25 minutes demo in the G20 it is light years ahead of the F30 in every respect and I cannot wait to get mine on Sunday.

Under the £40K bracket so just £145 a year to tax. To all those who say the additional £310 isn’t noticeable, YES, IT IS. Why should I give the government another £450 a year, for 5 years when I already give the useless bastards £1700 a month in tax and NI already? No thanks.

[jnismith]

I’ve been wondering if I’m the only one who hasn’t been seeing many G20s. They do seem few and far between but I did see one today compared to 109s of the older model. After my 440 GC got written off a year ago, I’ve been enjoying my Golf R and wondering when I would go back to a BMW.

But I don’t want to pay £500 tax on top of the £500 I pay for the Maserati. I know it’s a first world problem but I’m buggered if I’m going to pay a grand a year in road tax.