[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

It is you who should re-read the reports. YOUR car will get the new engine in 2016. And you are making a scene here only because the news of that became public way ahead of time.

I read the reports, perhaps too quickly, and it is up in the air as far as the actual launch engine update. Some say it may not even hit the US market until later. So as I've already stated many times, 2016 makes sense to have any updates to engine, and I am fine with this (my opinion). So as I was writing in my previous comments that if the engine is released past 2016, I’m ok with it, all you did was post a reply with nothing to add but just being a penis? Asking me if I’m serious, in a demeaning manner? You need some troll or anger counseling. And who is making a scene? All I did was express my opinion in few posts, in a clear manner. The “scene” as you say, seems to be as a result of stupid, instigating responses like yours. Doesn’t it? Take a chill pill, stop changing stories, and be consistent. And don’t be demeaning to people with your “serious” crap, and there won’t be any “scenes” my man. Now…live long and prosper, and let this evaporate already, no need to reply to this.

[BDWonder]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Every product manager has to manage product cycles. I can guarantee you that BMW correlates sales and product update cycles. They know how the frequency of updates affects their sales. It's one of the most basic optimizations of manufacturing any product. They manage from this data.

I get what you're saying. You've drawn a pretty clear line in the sand: less than 2.5 years, not OK; more than 2.5 years, OK.

Can you see how arbitrary that is though? Can you see the hubris in saying that adjusting product release cycles to your own preferences is how BMW should operate? I mean, it's your opinion, so have at it, but your first post sounded pretty entitled.

Perhaps I've written the first comment too quickly. I was now under the impression that the LCI's are every two and half to three years anyway. And I, as a consumer, was simply frustrated with the possibility of my car having an updated engine in a year after the launch. And why do you think what I’ve written seems arbitrary or even entitled? It is simply a guy venting and expressing his own opinion about certain possibilities. Did I protest to BMW in a written form or personal appearances to change their production modeling and marketing affairs? No. Again, simply a dude, that was venting, and didn’t like what he initially read. But you seem too accepting of things, as in oh well this is the way things are. I am not. I raise my hand, question everything, and am only satisfied when I’m satisfied. And this personal model of mine, has gotten me pretty far. If this is the case with BMW, I will not just say oh well. I already got a buyer for my 435, and will close the sale in week or so. I am eyeing other cars. I may not even get a car, as I currently have the wife’s Honda Accord. If I like the new M4 after test driving it and after some research, I’ll get that. I am also interested in the 2014-2015 550. The point is simple, at least for me, if things in my life are the way they are and I do not agree with them, I change those things. As I did with this 435, which btw needed a fan replacement that caused it to “over heat”.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

Perhaps I've written the first comment too quickly. I was now under the impression that the LCI's are every two and half to three years anyway. And I, as a consumer, was simply frustrated with the possibility of my car having an updated engine in a year after the launch. And why do you think what I’ve written seems arbitrary or even entitled? It is simply a guy venting and expressing his own opinion about certain possibilities. Did I protest to BMW in a written form or personal appearances to change their production modeling and marketing affairs? No. Again, simply a dude, that was venting, and didn’t like what he initially read. But you seem too accepting of things, as in oh well this is the way things are. I am not. I raise my hand, question everything, and am only satisfied when I’m satisfied. And this personal model of mine, has gotten me pretty far. If this is the case with BMW, I will not just say oh well. I already got a buyer for my 435, and will close the sale in week or so. I am eyeing other cars. I may not even get a car, as I currently have the wife’s Honda Accord. If I like the new M4 after test driving it and after some research, I’ll get that. I am also interested in the 2014-2015 550. The point is simple, at least for me, if things in my life are the way they are and I do not agree with them, I change those things. As I did with this 435, which btw needed a fan replacement that caused it to “over heat”.

I feel you. I just wanted to help you get some perspective. Basing your feelings about the things you own on what comes out next is a great way to live a life of constant disappointment Remember that the thing you loved on the day you bought it will remain the same, so long as you take care of it.

[ynguldyn]

BDWonder, let me try and recap, please correct if I got anything wrong.

First, you didn't understand that the report was not about the immediate future, but rather about a 2+ year time frame. But still you felt you read it well enough to start complaining louder than anyone else.

When several people pointed out to you that you misunderstood the report and asked you to calm down, in two posts one after the other you said that (a) you were calm and it was others who were making a scene (including the person who actually reported the news - but you missed that little fact, didn't you?) and (b) it was simply venting. Calm venting while still not getting it, that's definitely a mature and thoughtful behavior.

And, finally, you've already sold the car you felt so bad about, after owning it for 6 months. Picture perfect. Would you be so kind and provide a cherry on top by confirming that you decided to sell it specifically because of the news of the upcoming 440i?

[amdmaxx]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Actually they are not. The 3er is still the car too beat in comparisons in Europe.
European media did not see how the Cadillac ATS can get top spot?

The new Mercedes-Benz C-Klasse has been criticised for its engines and transmissions. Whilst BMW has been at its most competent in this area.

The new engines are progress and offer considerably more power and greater efficiency . They are about extending the lead of the 3er further in this area. And the new engines are all superb.

Customers do not want shiny buttons and other details (in Europe at least) they want competency , and they do not want to pay legislative taxes in many European countries. Greater efficiency and c02 means the many 3er can completely avoid this.

Of course there will be updates but of the most subtle. Some trim re freshening and additional details in the interior and subtle exterior updates will still make it recognisable as a 3er whether in base 316d or top of the line 335i.

It is important to keep the car familiar especially to the many fleets it is sold to for Government and business use and the entry customer who can cope with Halogen lights and cloth interiors just as long as they have a BMW.

The big changes are the new engines and reconfigured steering but the 3er LCi is all about progressive compentcy .

I was only referring to numbering nomenclature. Can't wait to see lci!

[2moor]

Originally Posted by crono06

I doubt this will be the case. There will always be a demand for smaller/less power engines so that it can serve as the 'entry' model. I don't think that a ~300hp motor would ever become the entry model lol.

E46 330i-e39/60(04-05)530i was 228hp, then the e90 330i e60(06-07) came with 255hp...
A 328i/528i does 240hp now.. And torque...
But yeah true, this might be the case in the US, since we demand large output engines as our entry level.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Eh, I'd take that with a grain of salt. I'm pretty sure (but not certain) that the move to solenoid injectors in the N55 was because the N55 is direct injected, and BMW adopted the component supplier's (Bosch) injectors for their system. If BMW is moving back to piezo injectors, it's because of efficiency improvements, not performance. The benefits are dubious in the US, because our fuel sucks anyway.

The solenoid vs piezo injector debate has been raging for a long time in the diesel world where they've been using direct injection for ages. Solenoid injectors have been around longer and are smaller, where piezo are more precise and quieter.

The piezo injectors are quieter, which will be a nice change. I get asked if our X3 28i (N20 powered) is a diesel all the time. I'm tired of explaining that it's just the direct injection system.

# of pulse injections is also different. Piezo =7 Solenoid = 5

[F32Fleet]

So it looks like the diesel experiment is finally drawing to a close. Too bad really. BMW just priced the 328d too high regardless of how far down one can negotiate.

[crono06]

Originally Posted by 2moor

E46 330i-e39/60(04-05)530i was 228hp, then the e90 330i e60(06-07) came with 255hp...
A 328i/528i does 240hp now.. And torque...
But yeah true, this might be the case in the US, since we demand large output engines as our entry level.

Does the 320i exist in the States? Here in Canada, that is the entry 3 series and I can say I see more of them on the roads than I expected.

[carzaddict]

Originally Posted by crono06

Does the 320i exist in the States? Here in Canada, that is the entry 3 series and I can say I see more of them on the roads than I expected.

yes it does. im honestly not shocked by the number of them. its a cheap way of getting into a comfortably sized BMW.

[crono06]

Originally Posted by carzaddict

yes it does. im honestly not shocked by the number of them. its a cheap way of getting into a comfortably sized BMW.

And I think that most people probably look at it like this:
Instead of getting a loaded econo mid-sized sedan, I can be driving a well equipped 3 series. I'm sure most people on the road couldn't care less about hp/tq numbers.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Socom

So it looks like the diesel experiment is finally drawing to a close. Too bad really. BMW just priced the 328d too high regardless of how far down one can negotiate.

Yeah I got one as a loaner as my car is in the shop (blown tire after hitting a pothole). I actually insisted to take the 328d Sport Wagon (was the only diesel powered loaner they had available). I actually really like it, then I looked at how much they cost....

It's a good motor, won't win any drag races but once the turbos kick in that torque really makes passing easy and I've gotten great mileage (33 mpg in mixed highway/city driving). On the highway though I could easily average 40 mpg or higher.

[penet05]

So is diesel really out of the picture after next year?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by penet05

So is diesel really out of the picture after next year?

From the update on 3/9/14:

F30 328d LCI SOP 07/15 EOP 10/18. No new diesels for the US.

"No new" doesn't mean "none at all".

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

From the update on 3/9/14:

"No new" doesn't mean "none at all".

I agree, I interpreted that as the 328d will continue production, just won't be updated (engine/drivetrain wise)

Too bad we get no 335d like with the E90, I guess diesels never really took off.

[itrocks4u]

So when do the LCI go into production?

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

I dont care how good they are- I will get my GC now and in 4-5 years get another one with the new engine AFTER it has had millions of REAL WORLD miles on it- BMW has a great reputation but lets not kid ourselves. My wifes 2012 135i has had so many engine problems that it almost drove me from BMW. I have the MPPK on order so 320 hp is good for now and will be plenty fast- 4-5 years from now will have better everything not just the engine.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

So when do the LCI go into production?

Next summer.

[SamS]

I have a feeling that the F30 LCI with the B58 will be called M340i. This fits in line with the M235i, and with the volume-selling 320i/330i, there will be plenty of room to add such a mid-range performance model slotted below a true ///M. I'm thinking a well equipped M340i would typically be priced at $65K, which would be $20K under an equivalently spec'd F80.

[rjpeaks]

i think i would buy a stripped F80 at that point.

but that's just my opinion.

B9 is coming

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by SamS

I have a feeling that the F30 LCI with the B58 will be called M340i. This fits in line with the M235i, and with the volume-selling 320i/330i, there will be plenty of room to add such a mid-range performance model slotted below a true ///M. I'm thinking a well equipped M340i would typically be priced at $65K, which would be $20K under an equivalently spec'd F80.

I could only see them doing this because of Audi going the route of naming the "S4" their high performance A4 model. But all in all, I actually dislike the entire "M" before model moniker. It's either a 3 series or an M3.

I hope they just kill the M235 and make it the 240 with the option for M package or M options. Essentially, that's all the "M" does for the 235.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

I could only see them doing this because of Audi going the route of naming the "S4" their high performance A4 model. But all in all, I actually dislike the entire "M" before model moniker. It's either a 3 series or an M3.

I hope they just kill the M235 and make it the 240 with the option for M package or M options. Essentially, that's all the "M" does for the 235.

Didn't the head of the M brand say it had 40% unique parts than a regular 2? So there is some 'M' in it.