[335BOY]

Originally Posted by 300hp

As always give a little color:

E.g I am from Toronto where it's mandated to put on winter tires and I have rwd so my advice is ......


I actually felt a little stupid when I mentioned winter is only 3 months, I should have qualified that to say "where I am winter is only 3 months with at most 30 snow days half of which snow is cleared....."

As for your comment, don't worry about my truck in my neck of the woods. My wife is driving it and she hardly goes over 30mph when there is snow on the ground. The most I will do is 50mph. I have no interest in exploring the limits on snow covered roads.

Just repeating your own comments about how xdrive with a/s WILL NOT STOP.....and then you said you have a truck (on a/s)that will handle anything winter will throw at you. I just got confused.....

[300hp]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Just repeating your own comments about how xdrive with a/s WILL NOT STOP.....and then you said you have a truck (on a/s)that will handle anything winter will throw at you. I just got confused.....

You misread, my f30 on summers will not stop in the snow. You know that

I think that should clear everything up

[300hp]

Originally Posted by crono06

Snow tires are not required in Toronto.

I stand corrected

[mastereh]

I've been driving for nearly 18 years; In that span I've owned something like 13 different cars.

I live in the Greater Toronto Area and I truly believe that Winter Tires are a necessity around this town.

The type of snow we get is ridiculous; we can get 1-2 cm which literally shuts down highways taking HOURS to drive even 10km.

Having snow tires gives increased traction which absolutely helps with control and stopping. Anyone who argues that Winter Tires doesn't provide any difference doesn't know what they are talking about and/or has never experienced how a vehicle can operate with the proper tires.

I'm getting my first BMW delivered on Tuesday and I've already gotten them to put on winter tires. No way am I driving that car off the lot without them.

[Kev314]

Originally Posted by mastereh

I've been driving for nearly 18 years; In that span I've owned something like 13 different cars.

I live in the Greater Toronto Area and I truly believe that Winter Tires are a necessity around this town.

The type of snow we get is ridiculous; we can get 1-2 cm which literally shuts down highways taking HOURS to drive even 10km.

Having snow tires gives increased traction which absolutely helps with control and stopping. Anyone who argues that Winter Tires doesn't provide any difference doesn't know what they are talking about and/or has never experienced how a vehicle can operate with the proper tires.

I'm getting my first BMW delivered on Tuesday and I've already gotten them to put on winter tires. No way am I driving that car off the lot without them.

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I don't think anyone could rationally argue that Winter Tires make no difference in the snow. But in New England the roads are generally clear except for a few days each winter. When they are clear the Winter Tires are a disadvantage.

After fifty years of driving in the north east (mostly in saabs) without an accident or mishap I know that a fwd car with all seasons is quite adequate. That being the case I'm confident that xdrive with all seasons will be adequate.

It's really an issue of one's personal needs and trade-offs.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by 300hp

You misread, my f30 on summers will not stop in the snow. You know that

I think that should clear everything up

Wow. Just read your own post back to yourself.

[Ehodzic6]

I have xdrive and blizzaks. I live in Chicago so and our winters are always pretty rough. 2nd winter with my current set up and I love it. Cars a mini tank.

[drob23]

This is why you want every advantage you can get out there. Be safe all.

edit: how come my embed is showing up a f'ed up?

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by drob23

This is why you want every advantage you can get out there. Be safe all.

edit: how come my embed is showing up a f'ed up?

edit: Lol, same happened for me

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Kev314

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I don't think anyone could rationally argue that Winter Tires make no difference in the snow. But in New England the roads are generally clear except for a few days each winter. When they are clear the Winter Tires are a disadvantage.

After fifty years of driving in the north east (mostly in saabs) without an accident or mishap I know that a fwd car with all seasons is quite adequate. That being the case I'm confident that xdrive with all seasons will be adequate.

It's really an issue of one's personal needs and trade-offs.

False, winter tires still retain substantial advantages over all season tires in low temperatures. The debate was never IF winter tires handle better in the snow/ice/or just plain cold temperatures. It was always whether it was worth the cost.

Personally, after having driven a 2008 Subaru Legacy GT with Continental ExtremeContact DWS and now a 2014 335i M Sport RWD SAT, I can say that RWD + winter tires IS WORLDS BETTER than a AWD + snow-biased all season. I think the extra control (and thus a form of insurance) is certainly worth the cost and effort to change between summer and snow tires.

[jonkarn]

Of course summer tires in winter are a no go due to losing stickiness under a certain temp, and becoming "harder".

However, I have never had dedicated Winters and have lived in NY/NJ my whole life. I have never had an accident in winter weather, nor gotten stuck. Yes winters would def perform better than A/S overall in snow/ice at certain speeds. But careful driving, speed wise on turns and keeping a safe distance around other cars is more important than having dedicated winter tires. I have slightly lost traction a handful of times, but know how to regain traction, as well as the cars nannies helping. The car usually reacts as I expect it, knowing the laws of physics. And if the roads are really bad, I stay off of them. If the conditions are bad, BE CAREFUL AND DRIVE SLOWLY AND DELIBERATELY!!

Im sure some people with winter tires get overconfident with the traction of the car, and may drive faster than they should. IMO this is more dangerous than driving with A/S.

Here is the equation:

Idiot driver w/Winter tires < Good driver with A/S< Good driver with Winters

Yes Winters do have an advantage, but if you really don't want to get a second set of tires, you can easily get by with A/S. But don't be stupid and drive Summer tires when it goes below 40 degrees. You are seriously handicapping the car.

This does not apply to those who must drive in all conditions due to their job, or living in Minnesota or the snow belt of upstate NY or Canada where the roads are not always being cleared. Then again, if you need to be in these conditions, you probably shouldn't be driving your BMW around, no matter what kind of tires. You should probably own a JEEP or something similarly rugged as your bad weather vehicle.

[335BOY]

Most people don't realize that buying a "second set" of tires does NOT cost them any more $. Basically you are just buying your second set of tires now Instead of 24 months from now. Both sets will last twice as long. I don't think many think this way. Too bad. Pretty cheap insurance that you might appreciate in an emergency situation.

[CHCCubs]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Most people don't realize that buying a "second set" of tires does NOT cost them any more $. Basically you are just buying your second set of tires now Instead of 24 months from now. Both sets will last twice as long. I don't think many think this way. Too bad. Pretty cheap insurance that you might appreciate in an emergency situation.

Agreed.

[Kev314]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Most people don't realize that buying a "second set" of tires does NOT cost them any more $. Basically you are just buying your second set of tires now Instead of 24 months from now. Both sets will last twice as long. I don't think many think this way. Too bad. Pretty cheap insurance that you might appreciate in an emergency situation.

Not exactly true. Mounting & dismounting costs $$ and/or time. Storage requires space which depending on your living circumstances might equate to $$$. If you have separate winter wheels then you have the cost of 4 more wheels.

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by jonkarn

Of course summer tires in winter are a no go due to losing stickiness under a certain temp, and becoming "harder".

However, I have never had dedicated Winters and have lived in NY/NJ my whole life. I have never had an accident in winter weather, nor gotten stuck. Yes winters would def perform better than A/S overall in snow/ice at certain speeds. But careful driving, speed wise on turns and keeping a safe distance around other cars is more important than having dedicated winter tires. I have slightly lost traction a handful of times, but know how to regain traction, as well as the cars nannies helping. The car usually reacts as I expect it, knowing the laws of physics. And if the roads are really bad, I stay off of them. If the conditions are bad, BE CAREFUL AND DRIVE SLOWLY AND DELIBERATELY!!

Im sure some people with winter tires get overconfident with the traction of the car, and may drive faster than they should. IMO this is more dangerous than driving with A/S.

Here is the equation:

Idiot driver w/Winter tires < Good driver with A/S< Good driver with Winters

Yes Winters do have an advantage, but if you really don't want to get a second set of tires, you can easily get by with A/S. But don't be stupid and drive Summer tires when it goes below 40 degrees. You are seriously handicapping the car.

This does not apply to those who must drive in all conditions due to their job, or living in Minnesota or the snow belt of upstate NY or Canada where the roads are not always being cleared. Then again, if you need to be in these conditions, you probably shouldn't be driving your BMW around, no matter what kind of tires. You should probably own a JEEP or something similarly rugged as your bad weather vehicle.

[scrape1]

Drove an E92 M3 with P-Zeros in a blustery 25 degrees today. Well, more like puttered around town at the speed limit. I did not die. When the when I pressed the brake, the car stopped. I would say quite well, actually. Nothing like I'd expect from "driving on pucks"

[Polo08816]

Hit a patch of black ice today in Maryland. Fortunately I had snow tires on .

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

...Hit a patch of black ice today in Maryland...

That's racist!

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by scrape1

Drove an E92 M3 with P-Zeros in a blustery 25 degrees today. Well, more like puttered around town at the speed limit. I did not die. When the when I pressed the brake, the car stopped. I would say quite well, actually. Nothing like I'd expect from "driving on pucks"

Try an emergency stop beside a car with winters and tell us how that works for you.

[Huz-Z]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle22518337/

[Thumper333]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

False, winter tires still retain substantial advantages over all season tires in low temperatures. The debate was never IF winter tires handle better in the snow/ice/or just plain cold temperatures. It was always whether it was worth the cost.

Just the point I was going to make. Plus, the road may be clear by you, but who says 20 miles down the road they didn't miss a patch, or there's some ice. Hard to stop in the middle of the road and swap out to different tires.......

There's really no need to go flying around race car style in the winter with low temps on public roads anyway, who cares if the winters drop your cornering Gs by .15 or whaetver......

[ft1330]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I just created a thread in the Wheels/Tire section about my first time driving with winter tires.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1076288

Also posted a dash cam video:

lol for a second I thought you really got pulled over. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised as I feel that sometimes passing a cop is ground for being pulled over. Anyway the tires look good and it was pretty ballsy to drive on that left lane. I think I would still go for PA4 as I read that the X Ice 3 have less than stellar handling...