[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

With MPPK only? What was the temp and humidity? Another poster (BMWBUSINESS007?) dynoed his at 314hp and 321 lb-ft....but those numbers seem really high. Hoping they're not though!

314/321 seem really weird. I'd probably buy the 321 but the 314 is pretty high.

I'd expect something closer to 290/320.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

With MPPK only? What was the temp and humidity? Another poster (BMWBUSINESS007?) dynoed his at 314hp and 321 lb-ft....but those numbers seem really high. Hoping they're not though!

With MPPK and some prayer! :P Yup that's it! I don't recall the exact numbers. Temps were about 15 C with low humidity ( cool crisp day ). Also, I have close to 10k km on her and NO oil change yet. Might be a smidgeon higher a year from now and after 2 oil changes.

[sarafil]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

sick car!

But yeah, pricing confirms it's "cheaper" to get a base 335i and add on M Performance parts.

What I've also learned/realized, is that when you PORT install, they charge you MSRP and waive the labor. However, when I purchased items, I could force a price-match to Tischer, which drove the actual cost of the PPK/M Performance Brakes/Suspension down; the added labor still didn't come close to the MSRP cost of parts at port install. Rather odd....

The port installed accessories have an "invoice" and "retail" price just like other options on the car, except the dealer margin is even larger. If port installed, they show up right on the vehicle invoice. I got my port installed accessories for invoice price, including install, which was far less than I would have been able to pay no matter what kind of deal I found at a dealer.

[rallybull]

those who have done their dyno (or are going to), could you'll post the actual graph of the power/torque ? The area under the curve is much more useful than stating just peak numbers.

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by tojo_m

those who have done their dyno (or are going to), could you'll post the actual graph of the power/torque ? The area under the curve is much more useful than stating just peak numbers.

I'll see what I can do...

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

I'll see what I can do...

Thanks and try to avoid the summer heat during the dyno !!

[Lawdogg39]

So what is the typical chrage fro the install? What is a normal charge for them by hour?

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by Lawdogg39

So what is the typical chrage fro the install? What is a normal charge for them by hour?

It's all what you can negotiate.... Read all the posts in this thread. There's also another one on prices paid. Just start engaging your dealer.

[The Nerd]

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

HP looks what I expected, but the tq a bit low. Graph may help give insight, but it's still higher than stock and as always different dynos/temps will give different readings, but you're in the general area of what is expected, at least in HP; definite boost over stock.

Is your car an auto or manual (the autos give more tq than the manuals if I remember the details of the kit)

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by tdizzle

HP looks what I expected, but the tq a bit low. Graph may help give insight, but it's still higher than stock and as always different dynos/temps will give different readings, but you're in the general area of what is expected, at least in HP; definite boost over stock.

Is your car an auto or manual (the autos give more tq than the manuals if I remember the details of the kit)

Auto...

[Seagull]

You are okay. There's no way a stock would put that out for hp. If you are really paranoid, do it again in 12 months.

[nsquared]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

Numbers look good.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

Dinan's dyno is different from most, it measures at the HUB itself, without wheels on...so I wouldn't use it as a basis of comparison. Your numbers look good...most important thing is how it feels.

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by nsquared

Numbers look good.

Thx. I also forgot to mention that they did three pulls, and the hp and torque numbers got higher with each successive pull (the last of the three being the one with highest #s). Hmmm....makes me wonder how it would have looked had they done some more pulls. Maybe there's something to be said for the oil temp being nice and hot? Also, they did a wideband O2 reading (separate graph), but I have no idea what those numbers mean or should be.

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

Thanks for posting the results!!

Looks like you assumed 15% loss for calculating the crank power. Is that a standard for BMW? I thought I have seen 18% loss being used in some other places.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Thx. I also forgot to mention that they did three pulls, and the hp and torque numbers got higher with each successive pull (the last of the three being the one with highest #s). Hmmm....makes me wonder how it would have looked had they done some more pulls. Maybe there's something to be said for the oil temp being nice and hot? Also, they did a wideband O2 reading (separate graph), but I have no idea what those numbers mean or should be.

Gives you a sense of A/F ratios....I'd love to see those numbers, see if BMW leaned it out a bit up top.

[The Nerd]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Gives you a sense of A/F ratios....I'd love to see those numbers, see if BMW leaned it out a bit up top.

The graph starts with O2 numbers of 15 around 2500rpm and bottoms out at 11 around 6600rpm....but I'll post that graph too when I get the digital copy.

Regarding the drivetrain loss....yeah, I used 15% because my car is RWD. I think the AWDs use 18%.

[300hp]

Thanks for the dyno numbers. I have just generally come to the conclusion that the 335i without PPK is one fast car. 4.7 and 13.3@104 is just powerful. Add on PPK and I think we should be good for 4.4 and 13.2@106mph. This being for rwd. These dyno numbers just validate the nature of the beast

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Gives you a sense of A/F ratios....I'd love to see those numbers, see if BMW leaned it out a bit up top.

How do you interpret the ratios? I should dig up my dyno chart somewhere. I didn't understand that when I was shooting the breeze hanging out. I think mine said something like AEM Air was 15.52 whatever that means.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by The Nerd

Well....got my MPPK dynoed this morning. First of all....the temperature was about 68 deg. F and very high humidity (rainy, damp, and foggy all morning). The machine that was used was a SuperFlow WinDyn V3.2. I also should mention that my car sat for about 35 minutes with the engine off before they pulled it in....so, it should have been significantly cooled down by then. Also, I have 3000 miles on the car. So after three pulls, my numbers are:

Max Horsepower: 290hp (this equates to about 341 crank hp)
Max Torque: 294 lb-ft. (this equates to about 346 lb-ft.)

Not sure what to think to be honest....I am very pleased with the hp number...but the torque seems low for an HPPK equipped engine (Steven Dinan himself dynoed an N55 HPPK at 321 lb-ft of torque and others on this sight have expressed similar torque numbers with the PPK). As I have been worried about since I got the car.....could there be a possibility that BMW didn't code in my PPK properly and I've been driving around thinking the software was installed, when in fact it wasn't? I sure hope not. I do not have the Nav screen....so no way to check the Power and Torque "gauges" to see what those numbers are. And....as my CA suggested, I had it installed by my dealership upon delivery....so I had no before and after comparison. Thoughts?

By the way, I'm supposed to be getting an electronic version of the graph (I have a paper copy)....I'll post when its emailed to me.

SuperFlow Dyno is load bearing, many higher numbers you see are Dynojets which read higher but do not produce as accurate numbers as a load bearing.

My N20 with catback did only 220whp/260tq on a SuperFlow.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Thanks for the dyno numbers. I have just generally come to the conclusion that the 335i without PPK is one fast car. 4.7 and 13.3@104 is just powerful. Add on PPK and I think we should be good for 4.4 and 13.2@106mph. This being for rwd. These dyno numbers just validate the nature of the beast

What do you think it is for an e92 M3?