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      12-30-2017, 04:14 PM   #1
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BMW 4 CS last in Autocar 2017 review

Damn , what da hell happened there?



Looks like e63s estate is better overall.... according to jokers.

Bmw needs to up their game quickly!

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Too powerful for two wheel drive! Thankfully BMW have realised this now with the new M5 so hopefully the rest of the M cars will follow suite.
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Too powerful for front wheel drive! Thankfully BMW have realised this now with the new M5 so hopefully the rest of the M cars will follow suite.
I reckon your bang on and I think the next M3 and M4 will have the new M xDrive. It’ll probably need it to try and keep up with fast RS Quattro’s.
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Van Meel, the head of M division, said in an interview recently that the next M3/4 will be RWD.
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Van Meel, the head of M division, said in an interview recently that the next M3/4 will be RWD.
Hmmm, interesting. I think they’re missing a trick personally if that’s the case. Although I’m all for RWD and firmly believe BMW need to remain true to their roots, the new M5 has swayed my thinking and as cars become ever quicker then 4 wheel drive probably needs to be seriously considered to provide more grip. Otherwise these cars may become increasingly difficult to handle, especially in the wet.

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Confusing video review - some cars getting slammed for constant drifting and lack of grip while others getting praised for the ability to constantly drift :

That said, I've never read anything that would convince me to fit Cup 2s to an M3/4 in anything but track conditions - certainly not in the wet. There was not question for me that the M4 would bomb here.

The Porsche does it for me, what a stunner.
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Confusing video review - some cars getting slammed for constant drifting and lack of grip while others getting praised for the ability to constantly drift :

That said, I've never read anything that would convince me to fit Cup 2s to an M3/4 in anything but track conditions - certainly not in the wet. There was not question for me that the M4 would bomb here.

The Porsche does it for me, what a stunner.
I struggle to believe that any road car needs Cup2's and they'd be anyone's first choice of tyre in the UK. Whilst they might be road legal, and plenty grippy, few performance cars have tyre grip issues on the public road such that the extra grip here is worth the trade off of less ability to tackle a downpour or standing water.

Fair enough if the car is used just to get to track days, or maybe dry days on blasts.
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