[thehobbit]

Originally Posted by mightycrown

If the nav person is talking, the volume controls adjust the nav volume. Turn the volume while hew is talking

Yes, turning volume will adjust voice nav volume, but media volume still at its level and don't fade. In my previous business navigation it did.

[Terabyte]

Hello

I have a question. Are the fsc codes for CIC and NBT are the same? I mean for 6NR and so on. Not the map.

[kitster]

The FSC codes cannot be used between NBT and CIC but the code's format is similar.

[shawnsheridan]

Originally Posted by Terabyte

Hello

I have a question. Are the fsc codes for CIC and NBT are the same? I mean for 6NR and so on. Not the map.

The 6NR and Sat Radio ones are same, and if CIC VIN is written to NBT VIN, they could be used. All others for Navigation, Voice, etc. are different.

[Terabyte]

Ok. Thx.

Why I ask. Thinking of retrofit CIC on a F30 2013 with Business Navigation and Combox in the trunk.
So it should be easier to retrofit CIC than NBT.

[shawnsheridan]

Originally Posted by Terabyte

Ok. Thx.

Why I ask. Thinking of retrofit CIC on a F30 2013 with Business Navigation and Combox in the trunk.
So it should be easier to retrofit CIC than NBT.

If you use cheap Emulator for activation, you won't be reusing the old 6NR FSC Code as you would be using FSC Codes for Donor VIN.

To use old 6NR FSC Code, CIC would need same VIN as car, and then you would have to order from BMW AG the Nav and Voice FSC Codes for car VIN, and it would cost around $1300 USD.

[Terabyte]

Yes I know. If we retrofit the CIC, we will use Emulator.
But even with Emulator you need myabe a FSC Code Set to get 6NR or Voice or... working.
So I can not use the Set for NBT Unit.

And does anyone know if it is "plug and play" to retrofit CIC when car comes with Champ2 and Combox in the trunk? I think there should not be rewiring necessary right?

[shawnsheridan]

Yes, correct. You will need FSC Code set from another CIC with Apps, Nav, and Voice Control, and this set must be from a newer VIN than CIC Donor VIN. Should not be hard to get.

No rewiring of Combox should be needed.

[Terabyte]

You know where to get this Set?

[shawnsheridan]

Originally Posted by Terabyte

You know where to get this Set?

PM sent.

[Terabyte]

Thx

[mightycrown]

Originally Posted by thehobbit

Yes, turning volume will adjust voice nav volume, but media volume still at its level and don't fade. In my previous business navigation it did.

Well, I just found that it's same with my retrofit as well. I checked all the possible parameter in HU_NBT, could not get any! Let me know if you figure this out. Also I am not be able to get music information on my Basic_Kombi.
Does anyone know how to code this one back?

[Terabyte]

mightycrown

On my Nav, voice volume is adjusting. But Music must be louder than voice. Otherwise it won´t adjust.

For Music Information try this

BASIS_KOMBI_MMI_LIST -> aktiv
KOMBI_CIC -> aktiv

[thehobbit]

Originally Posted by mightycrown

Well, I just found that it's same with my retrofit as well. I checked all the possible parameter in HU_NBT, could not get any! Let me know if you figure this out. Also I am not be able to get music information on my Basic_Kombi.
Does anyone know how to code this one back?

I too searched all over ncd parameters, even on KOMBI, but I can't find anything somewhere near.

Originally Posted by Terabyte

mightycrown

On my Nav, voice volume is adjusting. But Music must be louder than voice. Otherwise it won´t adjust.

For Music Information try this

BASIS_KOMBI_MMI_LIST -> aktiv
KOMBI_CIC -> aktiv

Yes, you can adjust voice nav when driving directions are given, but music/radio/video remains at the same level, don't fade as it does my old business navigation.
What do you mean with "music must be louder than voice, otherwise it won't adjust"?
Thanks!

[ycelolic]

Hey Fellows,

I've just fitted NBT this morning and I have one issue with Touch_Controller. Hope someone can help

all these are active,

HU_NBT / 3000_HMI / ZBE_TOUCH_INTERACTIVE_MAP to aktiv
HU_NBT / 3000_HMI / ZBE_TOUCH_SPELLER to aktiv
HU_NBT / 3000_HMI / ZBE_TOUCH_BROWSER to aktiv
HU_NBT / 3004_SYSTEM / EINSTELLUNGEN / ZBE_TOUCH to aktiv-Mittelfach

and I've connected the controller to PIN 9 and 11

and changed the build date to 07/13. But nothing is happen.

And last, I can't see ZBE3 in ECUs just ZBE2

regards

[cedchung]

Does anyone know the part number for the cable from NBT to armrest USB?

[kitster]

Originally Posted by cedchung

Does anyone know the part number for the cable from NBT to armrest USB?

The cable from BMW is incredibly expensive. I ended up buying this one:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=171657402603

Was about 1/4 the price of the official one.

[BeatB]

Originally Posted by cedchung

Does anyone know the part number for the cable from NBT to armrest USB?

why are you buying a new one? I though rotating the current usb around 90 degrees should be enough.

Did I miss anything?

[kitster]

Maybe a combox in the boot and pulling up the cables to the front is a hassle!

That's why I brought the cable.

[kabamaru]

Hi, just bought an nbt system and want to make the retrofit. Now i have the standard radio professional without combox in the trunk (only standard bluetooth and usb in the armrest).
The first choice is to buy an emulator and then coding. I will go to a garage to do this for me because i don't know nothing about coding. In this case, the coding must be done before or after the emulator is fitted?
The other choice is to get the nbt system original coded by the person who sell this retrofit. I will send my vin number and he will do original coding (like a bmw dealer). In this case, the system will be direct plug and play for my car. Just connect the wires and that's it. The question is if my bmw dealer do a software update in the future to my car, will i have problem with the original coded nbt system? Will in somehow the fsc codes deleted so the car must be coded again? If not, i will go for the second solution.
Every advice/opinion is very important to me, thank's.

[kitster]

Originally Posted by kabamaru

Hi, just bought an nbt system and want to make the retrofit. Now i have the standard radio professional without combox in the trunk (only standard bluetooth and usb in the armrest).
The first choice is to buy an emulator and then coding. I will go to a garage to do this for me because i don't know nothing about coding. In this case, the coding must be done before or after the emulator is fitted?
The other choice is to get the nbt system original coded by the person who sell this retrofit. I will send my vin number and he will do original coding (like a bmw dealer). In this case, the system will be direct plug and play for my car. Just connect the wires and that's it. The question is if my bmw dealer do a software update in the future to my car, will i have problem with the original coded nbt system? Will in somehow the fsc codes deleted so the car must be coded again? If not, i will go for the second solution.
Every advice/opinion is very important to me, thank's.

Mate, just read up on the coding threads, it's super easy to code.

In rgds to the coding and the emulator, you can install the emulator after coding. The emulator only bypasses the verification between the NBT and your car. In other words the NAV will not work without the emulator but everything else will.

As for BMW dealer software updates (assuming your talking about system/firmware updates), very high chance it will fail because your car wasn't built with the NBT....think about it, they are not going to support self-installed hardware. Solution would be to backout the NBT to default spec during service updates....hence the reason to understand coding.

Also your installation won't be 100% PnP as you will need to add the GPS module and prob turn the USB connector 180 degrees.

[kabamaru]

Thank's for the info. I don't have so much time to spend reading the coding threads, lots of work, family, you know what i mean...
As for the updates, i am talking about software car updates, not updates of the nbt. If my car is original coded, that means that there is no emulator and is like the nbt is factory build for my car. It is not easy or convenient to backout the NBT.
What is the GPS module? Do you mean gps antenna? Because this antenna is included in the kit. Also probably there is no need to turn the usb connector 180 degrees because i don't have a combox.