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After storing my car ('16 328i 6MT) for about 2.5 months while I was travelling for work I noticed that when I would drive aggressively - most notably, accelerating with more than 3/4 throttle in third gear when the tach would swing past 4K rpms) it would stumble and feel like it was hitting a soft redline. When it did this I immediately let off of the throttle but it never threw a CEL or acted out of the ordinary other than that or similar situation. I always use 93 octane Shell gas and change the oil every 5-6K with Liqui Molly so it's not a neglect issue. The car has about 26K miles on it and is DME tuned by BPC with an ER catted downpipe, however, that's been done to the car almost the entire 1.5 years I've owned it and never done this despite two track sessions and a weekend at the Tail of the Dragon.
I took the car to my local BMW dealership. They diagnosed and repaired it with the following notes on my work order and parts that were replaced: "Connected battery charger and found faults for misfire cyl 2 and 4. Swapped coils and plugs test drove car misfire stayed same cyl. Ran test plan found 2 and 4 injectors to be faulty. Replaced with EU6 injectors and no further issue found." Parts ordered: Qty 2 13-64-8-625-397 RP Injector WARRANTY Qty 2 13-53-7-577-649 Decoupling Element WARRANTY I drove the car home and it seemed fine but I couldn't really push it because of the weather and the traffic. It seemed to stumble like before once a couple days later but seemed fine for the rest of the day and I really pushed it trying to get it to repeat the stumble. Today, getting on a freeway on-ramp I went full throttle in 3rd gear and like before when it got to around 4-5K rpms it stumbled and I immediately let off. So obviously this did not fully fix the problem. I called the dealership and am dropping the car back off early tomorrow morning. As a future precaution I had F80 M3 spark plugs installed (one step colder) during the last repair just for preventative maintenance since it is tuned. This problem occurred before that switch so the plugs are ruled out. The only thing I can think of is that the coil pack needs to be replaced but the tech's notes seem to indicated that they tested them and were fine. While it may be a totally coincidence, this only started happened after the car sat for a little over 2 months while I was away. The garage is climate controlled so I don't know how that would play into it. I'm really at a loss here. Looking for any and all experience or advice! Thanks!
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02-22-2018, 05:51 PM | #2 |
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Could explain the stumbling? As in you hit the "redline" and it seems to sputter at that point?
I had a similar (if not the same) issue when I was getting my tune done. I had two issues that were fixed. First was gapping my plugs (NGK LI plugs now) at 0.018". I'm pushing around 23psi, so that was the requirement for the plug. Secondly, another part of the sputtering at 5k under WOT had to do with some fueling tables. Does that sound similar to your issue?
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If it's happening like that, I'm going to say fuel related. Plugs being gapped at 0.018" is normal for 22psi or so, but you're not getting any misfires. If it were plug related only, you'd be getting the misfire codes. I would take a look at anything fuel related because this sounds exactly like my issue before.
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I say fuel because it was the same thing for me. We were testing my tune and under WOT, I wasn't getting the correct fuel amount sent and it would cause it to sputter and not progress past 5k. Sounded like a damn AK, lol. I would tell them to try to replicate several times, in Sport +, under WOT each time.
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As I feared, the dealership said they could not replicate the issue... However, the second time I did the typical full throttle in second or third gear this happened. Car went into limp mode and I limped into to the next exit and pulled into a parking lot where I plugged in my OBDII dongle and app - misfire on every cylinder. I crossed my fingers and shut the car off and restarted it and the limp mode was gone. I drove it like a senior citizen home (about 5 miles away) and will be taking it back up to the dealership tomorrow morning. It's just frustrating at this point.
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Damn! Well, I would gap them to 0.018 or 0.02, just to clear that off the table. Pretty easy process.
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Also, get it to your tuner and ask to go back to stock. Run the same tests several times. If no issue, then you have the problem.
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Dropping it off Sunday night with the tuning shop so they can accurately diagnosis what in the world is going on. Will update here Monday afternoon.
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Picked it up from the tuner/performance shop this evening and all is FINALLY well. Of all the things....the dealership did not gap the S55 spark plugs correctly and that was the root of this second round of (worse) misfires after the dealership initially replaced injectors 2 and 4. Such a small thing for them to overlook which caused me so much headache! Oh well, all is well now and BPC (the shop that repaired this and tuned the car) came through for me.
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may i ask how u resolve this sputtering issue? i am using bm3 stg 1 OTS map.... |
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Since you're using the OTS map, I would regap your plugs to 0.018 or 0.02 first. If that doesn't work, please let BM3 know that you're experiencing this issue. It could be that the OTS map was wrong, but double check your plugs first.
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