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      02-19-2013, 04:11 PM   #67
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What about legroom _and_ cargo space?
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Are you saying everyone who needs legroom and cargo space should move to Europe? Thank you, this is helpful.
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I think you are forgetting how much bigger the 3GT is than the standard 3-series sedan. As an example, based on EU unladen weight(from BMW UK site), the 328 GT will be 55lb less than a 528i sedan.

328i: 3366lb
328 GT: 3674lb
528i: 3729lb

It is also only 2.7in shorter in length than a 5 sedan.

328i: 182.5in
328 GT: 190.4in
528i: 193.1in

To me it looks closer to a 5-series in driving dynamics than a 3-series.
I see 528i curb weight at 3814lbs. My AH3 weighs the same as a 3GT, and it feels nowhere near as portly as a F10. My point is that the F10 driving dynamics are not close to F3x driving dynamics.

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Which dealer in San Diego can sell me an F11?
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Are you saying everyone who needs legroom and cargo space should move to Europe? Thank you, this is helpful.
You're welcome, and thank you for putting words in my mouth.
It's not my fault BMWNA decided not to bring the F11 to the US.
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I see 528i curb weight at 3814lbs. My AH3 weighs the same as a 3GT, and it feels nowhere near as portly as a F10. My point is that the F10 driving dynamics are not close to F3x driving dynamics.



Which dealer in San Diego can sell me an F11?
You are comparing apples to oranges. US curb weight is different from EU unladen weight. The difference is 55lb when comparing EU numbers since that is all that is available now.

You are partially correct, the F10 driving dynamics are not close to the F30 dynamics. However, compared to the F34(3GT), they will be very close. In addition to weight, wheelbase has a large impact on driving dynamics. Wheelbase lengths:

F30: 110.6in
F34: 117.7in
F10: 116.9in

The F34 has a longer wheelbase than the F10 cars and is only ~50lb lighter when comparing cars with the same engine. My point is that the 3GT will drive more like a 5-series than a 3-series. Of course we will have to wait for real world driving comparisons, but numbers don't lie.

Unfortunately, no dealers in San Diego offer the F11 for sale. Although, ynguldyn brought up an option...everyone who needs legroom and cargo space should move to Europe
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328i: 3366lb
328 GT: 3674lb
308lb extra? Ugly AND fat! Man that's like having two passengers' weight riding around with you all the time.
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The X3 is 4112lbs making the GT sleek and good looking.
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The Chevy Tahoe is 5400lbs, making the X3 sleek and good looking.
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The Chevy Tahoe is 5400lbs, making the X3 sleek and good looking.
...thus confirming the absurdity of this assertion:
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308lb extra? Ugly AND fat! ....
Nevertheless, while comparison to a Tahoe makes the X3 sleek, "good looking" is seriously debatable.
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I haven't been on this forum too long so I cannot compare the release of the GT with other models. How long does it normally take from the release of a new model till when we see reviews in the motoring press? It seems at this stage that only Auto Bild were fortunate to get their hands on one for review. Why would BMW only release it to one publication for testing?
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...thus confirming the absurdity of this assertion:

Nevertheless, while comparison to a Tahoe makes the X3 sleek, "good looking" is seriously debatable.
My assertions are no more absurd than yours.

Debate all you want. To me, the fat GT is to the Touring as a fat Tahoe is to an X3.
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Good comparo!!! I'm liking the GT
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My assertions are no more absurd than yours.

Debate all you want. To me, the fat GT is to the Touring as a fat Tahoe is to an X3.
To the contrary. The assertion you made that the 308lbs more than the 328i on the GT made it look fat and ugly is absurd. Fat and ugly is an opinion of the exterior design and held in the eye of the beholder. The assertion I made was an attempt at subtly applying your own assertion to the X3 and the GT thinking it would render it explicit. Apparently it finally took.
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