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      05-31-2013, 08:06 AM   #45
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The ballpark of $500 over invoice is considered a fairly good deal. You're just over that so I wouldn't fret.
I agree, anywhere in that ballpark is an awesome deal.

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      05-31-2013, 08:50 AM   #46
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It wasn't invoice +$740 out the door. There was still tax, title and registration on top of that. Are you all really paying invoice +$500 including tax?? If so, I am now REALLY depressed.
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It wasn't invoice +$740 out the door. There was still tax, title and registration on top of that. Are you all really paying invoice +$500 including tax?? If so, I am now REALLY depressed.
I have never heard of tax, title and reg fees being included in the sale price of the vehicle.

Tax and reg fees are flat regardless of the vehicle brand (well not tax, but same tax rate), so as long as your dealer fees aren't outlandish then you're fine.
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      05-31-2013, 10:19 AM   #48
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It wasn't invoice +$740 out the door. There was still tax, title and registration on top of that. Are you all really paying invoice +$500 including tax?? If so, I am now REALLY depressed.
I misspoke. I didn't mean to say everything included I've edited my original post regarding your deal. Good job on $740 over invoice! No need to go back and think that you could've "done better"...enjoy the car!



Maybe an operational definition would've helped!...doh

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Tax and reg fees are flat regardless of the vehicle brand (well not tax, but same tax rate), so as long as your dealer fees aren't outlandish then you're fine.
And this.
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      05-31-2013, 12:25 PM   #49
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Not sure if these numbers are in the right places and correct but some insight would be helpful. I took a pic of the dealers printed out work sheet and these are the numbers I see. I don't see dealer invoice price on this sheet.

Price you got: $44,408.77 (says cash sale price)??
Dealer Name/ Location: BMW of Bloomfield- New jersey
Year/Model: 2013 328i xDrive
MSRP: $48,925.00
Invoice: $(unknown)??
Options/Packages: sport line, premium, navigation, lighting
Cash Down/ **MSD: $3,354 with NY 8.865% tax, bank fee, and DMV fees / inquired about msd, would have been additional 3500. ($6500, Did not do it.)
Negotiated Price: $31,801.25 (says residual)??
*Money Factor: 0.00127
*Lease term/Miles: 10,000/36 months
*Lease Payment: $447.00
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*MSD side note. Couldn't justify $6500 on a lease. Yes I know you get it back but IMO you don't because all I am going to do is release with BMW again. Basically that additional $3500 will never be in my pocket again. Would have dropped my payment to $417 a month.

So how did I do? I feel like I put too much down up front. Looks like to me that got me for about an additional $700 in fees that they would not budge on. Trust me I tried and tried and tried. Lol. Are these numbers accurate?
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I misspoke. I didn't mean to say everything included I've edited my original post regarding your deal. Good job on $740 over invoice! No need to go back and think that you could've "done better"...enjoy the car! .

Whew!! Glad we cleared that up! The term "out the door" is what threw me off but I understand now.

Now off to log in to MyBMW.com to see if I'm out of Order Received status yet!
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      05-31-2013, 07:37 PM   #51
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Not sure if these numbers are in the right places and correct but some insight would be helpful. I took a pic of the dealers printed out work sheet and these are the numbers I see. I don't see dealer invoice price on this sheet.

Price you got: $44,408.77 (says cash sale price)??
Dealer Name/ Location: BMW of Bloomfield- New jersey
Year/Model: 2013 328i xDrive
MSRP: $48,925.00
Invoice: $(unknown)??
Options/Packages: sport line, premium, navigation, lighting
Cash Down/ **MSD: $3,354 with NY 8.865% tax, bank fee, and DMV fees / inquired about msd, would have been additional 3500. ($6500, Did not do it.)
Negotiated Price: $31,801.25 (says residual)??
*Money Factor: 0.00127
*Lease term/Miles: 10,000/36 months
*Lease Payment: $447.00
Other Pertinent Information:
*MSD side note. Couldn't justify $6500 on a lease. Yes I know you get it back but IMO you don't because all I am going to do is release with BMW again. Basically that additional $3500 will never be in my pocket again. Would have dropped my payment to $417 a month.

So how did I do? I feel like I put too much down up front. Looks like to me that got me for about an additional $700 in fees that they would not budge on. Trust me I tried and tried and tried. Lol. Are these numbers accurate?
Very good deal! I believe its under invoice for that car. Plugging the numbers I got the same payment amount.

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Whew!! Glad we cleared that up! The term "out the door" is what threw me off but I understand now.

Now off to log in to MyBMW.com to see if I'm out of Order Received status yet!
Good to hear! haha...keep us posted!

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      06-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #52
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Price you got: $47,240 (ED Pricing)
Dealer Name/ Location: Life Quality BMW Bay Ridge
Year/Model: 2013 335i
MSRP: $50, 830
Invoice: $46,740
Options/Packages: Heated Front Seats, Parking Assistant, M-Sport, Driver Assist Package & Technology Package.
Cash Down: $18,000 + $1000 BMWFS Rebate
Negotiated Price: $46,990
Other Pertinent Information: My trip (flight and hotel) were pretty much paid for due to a last minute "return on an investment".

Waddaya guys think... pretty fair deal?

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      06-02-2013, 11:45 AM   #53
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Someone please help me figure this out. This would be my first ever car. This is the quote that I'm getting, but the monthly payment is just not making sense to me since when I input it into a lease calculator I get a much different number. Any help would be extremely appreciated!

Price you were quoted: $40,475 (Through USAA)
Dealer Name/ Location: BMW of Macon, Macon GA
Year/Model: 2013 328i sedan
MSRP: $42,775
Invoice: $39,905
Options/Packages: Technology Package, Driver Assistance Package
Negotiated Price: $40,475 - $750 conquest credit - $1500 USAA Rebate ($2250 total rebate)
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-36 months at 10k a year residual is 65%
-Money factor buy rate 0.00127
-Acquisition fee at cost $725
-Doc fee $599
-Georgia Lease


So with $2750 down for a total of $3859, Payment is $386/month

I am very new to this so if someone could explain to me how he arrived at that number I would really appreciate it.
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      06-02-2013, 12:13 PM   #54
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Someone please help me figure this out. This would be my first ever car. This is the quote that I'm getting, but the monthly payment is just not making sense to me since when I input it into a lease calculator I get a much different number. Any help would be extremely appreciated!

Price you were quoted: $40,475 (Through USAA)
Dealer Name/ Location: BMW of Macon, Macon GA
Year/Model: 2013 328i sedan
MSRP: $42,775
Invoice: $39,905
Options/Packages: Technology Package, Driver Assistance Package
Negotiated Price: $40,475 - $750 conquest credit - $1500 USAA Rebate ($2250 total rebate)
Other Pertinent Information:
-36 months at 10k a year residual is 65%
-Money factor buy rate 0.00127
-Acquisition fee at cost $725
-Doc fee $599
-Georgia Lease


So with $2750 down for a total of $3859, Payment is $386/month

I am very new to this so if someone could explain to me how he arrived at that number I would really appreciate it.
based on this I plugged it into a lease calculator and got 365 with 3115 due at signing. Not sure if I have al the fees right though.

Same thing happened to me and the difference was the dealership had a 500 dollar dealer fee baked into their calculation.

Have you thought of doing multiple security deposits instead of a down payment? Thats what I did and here is an example

Sale price
40475
Fees 1324 (acquisition plus doc fee)
2250 rebates
money factor bought down with MSDs to .00078

3559 due at signing and payments of 409 a month. However, you will get the 3150 used as security deposits at the end of the lease.

I am a financial advisor and I ran the numbers on these MSDs and the rate of return equates to an 8-10% tax free and risk free (unless BMW FS goes bankrupt) per year for the lease.

You might pay more per month but you get that money back at the end of the lease. Definitely worth looking at.

As for your problem though I can almost assure you their numbers include a dealer fee. Considering they have a 599 doc fee, you should argue that there shoudnt be a dealer fee on top of that.
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      06-03-2013, 12:38 AM   #55
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Very good deal! I believe its under invoice for that car. Plugging the numbers I got the same payment amount.

Thanks.. I wasnt sure how i did..I tried my damnedest!! But a lot of credit goes to the dealer.. They were an absolute pleasure to deal with. Highly recommend anyone in NY/NJ area..
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2014 328i - Alpine White - Black Leatherette - Dark Burl Walnut Trim

M-Sport Package
Lighting Package
Technology Package
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MSRP 47125
Quote 43955

What do you think guys?

I also get 750 for loyalty.

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Does anyone know if the Drive for Team USA event is still ongoing and if it applies to 2014 3s? I can't seem to find it anymore on their website.
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Does anyone know if the Drive for Team USA event is still ongoing and if it applies to 2014 3s? I can't seem to find it anymore on their website.
Yes it is still going and applies to all MY13 and MY14 models exluding the 2014 X5. Last day to redeem it is on October 31,2013
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Yes it is still going and applies to all MY13 and MY14 models exluding the 2014 X5. Last day to redeem it is on October 31,2013
You've been really helpful haha but do you know where I can find that information? My dealer says that it only applies to 2013 models.

THanks
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You've been really helpful haha but do you know where I can find that information? My dealer says that it only applies to 2013 models.

THanks
I'm dealer and got it straight from the bulletin that BMW sends to us. They are probably just telling you that to get you to buy the car now. Unfortunately, BMW has no real info on it on their website but I can promise you it is for the 2014 3 Series also
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Yes it is still going and applies to all MY13 and MY14 models exluding the 2014 X5. Last day to redeem it is on October 31,2013
Can we do this and have it applied to our existing order being transported now?
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I'm dealer and got it straight from the bulletin that BMW sends to us. They are probably just telling you that to get you to buy the car now. Unfortunately, BMW has no real info on it on their website but I can promise you it is for the 2014 3 Series also

Love having resources like this!
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As for your problem though I can almost assure you their numbers include a dealer fee. Considering they have a 599 doc fee, you should argue that there shoudnt be a dealer fee on top of that.
OCLOR: $599 "doc fee"...what the hell is that? What are they paying the secretary that is filing paperwork? $14/hr? Takes are at MOST 2 hours...You should agree to $28.
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OCLOR: $599 "doc fee"...what the hell is that? What are they paying the secretary that is filing paperwork? $14/hr? Takes are at MOST 2 hours...You should agree to $28.
Doc fee or dealer fee there is going to be a fee somewhere. I think of it as adding up all their profit and come up with something your comfortable with. Doc fee just sounds like a dealer fee which I don't care paying if the deal is right. A dealer can give me 1000-1500 over invoice without any fees or 500 below invoice with a ton of dealer fees.

What matters is that when you run the numbers, the overall deal is solid and works for that person financially

That's just my two cents from someone who got a good but certainly not great deal by this websites standards
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Does anyone know if the Drive for Team USA event is still ongoing and if it applies to 2014 3s? I can't seem to find it anymore on their website.
Yes it is still going and applies to all MY13 and MY14 models exluding the 2014 X5. Last day to redeem it is on October 31,2013

How would you sign up for this? Can you stack this with the UDE for a total of $2,000 and $750?
Thanks.

Btw what dealer do you rep?
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Can we do this and have it applied to our existing order being transported now?
Unfortunately no. This is straight from the FAQ portion of the bulletin:

How long is the offer in place?
The offer is valid for purchases made the day of event attendance through October 31, 2013. Offer is not valid for vehicles ordered or delivered prior to event attendance. Eligible vehicles must be delivered and RDR’d through DCSNet from the day of the event through October 31, 2013.
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