[Emilim]

No experience with the Michelin but my old car had the DWS and it was great. Threadwear was really good and it'll last you a few years if you don't go crazy with it. No real snow to speak of in Vancouver these past few years but they handled trips up the ski hills no problem.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

False.
However, if you compare both the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3+ and the Pilot Super Sort, for the 255/40/18 size they both have an identical tread depth of 10/32th and identical tread pattern.

Do you live in Maryland or Moldova? Because here in the states our PS AS/3 and PSS have very different tread patterns.. Also the PS AS/3 is apparently 10.5/32


Edit: I'm dumb.. just realized this thread was speaking of the AS/3+.. I didn't even know this tire existed and assumed OP just meant AS/3

[razzy530]

The MICHELIN is by far the most superior product on the market today. Period.
Nothing, i mean NOTHING comes close. Trust me when I tell you.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

Do you live in Maryland or Moldova? Because here in the states our PS AS/3 and PSS have very different tread patterns.. Also the PS AS/3 is apparently 10.5/32

Maryland.

http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tir...-s-3-plus.html

Directly from the Michelin website:

It is combined with an aggressive asymmetric tread pattern inspired by the MICHELIN Pilot Super Sport.

Given 255/40/18..

Specs for PSS: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....XLV2&tab=Specs

Specs for A/S3+: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....S3PL&tab=Specs

They are both listed at 10/32". There are tire configurations listed with ".5" increments but if it the A/S3+ were 10.5 it would have been listed as such.

Anyways, the point still remains.

PSS > A/S3+ in the wet unless less than 60F.

[lens]

Originally Posted by razzy530

The MICHELIN is by far the most superior product on the market today. Period.
Nothing, i mean NOTHING comes close. Trust me when I tell you.

Obviously you need to be less biased and get out more.

If they are so superior, why does the P1 use Pirelli P zeroes

[lens]

Originally Posted by BM57

Thanks everyone for sharing and contributing to this thread.




Michelin claims that the new Michelin Pilot A/S 3+ has 28% better traction in the snow over the Pilot Sport A/S 3. I'm not really concerned about the snow, so it's not a major factor for my consideration. However, what is important to me is noise level and wet weather performance.




Mix of city and highway driving for daily short commuting suitable for Vancouver B.C. climate. No snow or racing/track.




I've heard that they were much more quieter than the run flats and ride better. That's why I have them on my list. Happy to hear that they worked out well for you.




It seems like the DWS06 has been a decent improvement and a great choice over the Pirelli P7 for you.

Do you think the softer sidewall makes that much of a difference? Are you running the same tire pressure with the DWS06 as you did with the run flats?

I bet Erhard, Tom (Auto Europe) and Discount Tire sell a high enough volume of tires to know what their customers like or complain about. It be interesting to know what tire they're favoring.

It's much better, the soft sidewalls would help reduce the noise and the bumping around. Where the stiff sidewalls like RFT are harsh and eat every little bump on the road.

I have the previous gen and have put about 40,000km on them and still have 75% tread left.

[tony176000]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Don't kid yourself.

In temps > 60F the PSS is far superior to the A/S3 both in dry and wet.

I don't think he's kidding himself. I vote whole heartedly for the Michelins. They are an amazing AS tire. I had a set on my previous E90 and they felt nearly as good as the summer run flats they replaced. Also because they're lighter and quieter they made the ride more comfortable. All around an amazing tire well worth the cost. I won't even consider anything else. They are that good.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by tony176000

I don't think he's kidding himself. I vote whole heartedly for the Michelins. They are an amazing AS tire. I had a set on my previous E90 and they felt nearly as good as the summer run flats they replaced. Also because they're lighter and quieter they made the ride more comfortable. All around an amazing tire well worth the cost. I won't even consider anything else. They are that good.

Pilot Super Sports and Pilot Sport A/S3+ are both Michelins...

If A/S3+ are so good, Michelin might as well go discontinue the Pilot Super Sport and tell everyone (ie. BMW M, Porsche, Corvette, etc.) they were all fools for going with a summer tire.

[razzy530]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Obviously you need to be less biased and get out more.

If they are so superior, why does the P1 use Pirelli P zeroes

Pirelli is good, but it sounds to me like you say its better than Michelins... Get out more? Sure, lets go Ill take you for a ride.

[metallicpea]

No tire is better than another in every category. Tires are just a set of weighted compromises. Comparing tires in this range is about grip (straight-line and cornering - dry, wet, snow, ice), comfort, noise, treadwear and cost. It is very useful to have a discussion to compare leading contenders on various categories.

Depending on each persons importance of each category, you might select one over the other.

For me, I will not be driving this car to the limits of dry grip, nor will I drive with these tires in the snow or ice, so it is more about ride, wet traction, noise and value(miles per $). In that order.

According to Tire Rack test data (not consumer surveys), which I put a good deal of trust in and have been pleased with over many years, the Conti bests the Michelins in the 3 categories above except wet traction.

If overall grip was my number 1 priority, I would select the Michelins, but then I would probably go with Super Sports anyway and dump the extra comfort and treadwear life of the A/S.

I strongly suggest anyone trying to select tires to prioritize their wants and research a tire with test results, personal experience and/or trusted feedback to select the best option.

[metallicpea]

Original Poster - BM57, what is the priority of these features for you?

[bahasad]

Very very happy with my Pilot AS3s. First time I spent a decent chunk of money on tires, and compared to any other car (including my Mustangs Pirelli Pzeros), they feel the best to me. Amazing grip dry or wet (haven't tested in snow but not expecting anything spectacular), reasonable noise. They have been known to wear relatively quickly, but michelin pro-rates the tires if they are bare before the warranty is up.

[xlover]

Do they make the A/S3+ in the right sizes for the 19s. Doesn't look like they make the fronts?

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by xlover

Do they make the A/S3+ in the right sizes for the 19s. Doesn't look like they make the fronts?

I have 245/40/19s all around. Perfect fitment. The size will depend on your wheels/suspension.

[mithoowani]

I have changed to Continental Extreme ; happy with them. They have some traction in snow, if cught in snow by surprise

[BM57]

Originally Posted by metallicpea

Original Poster - BM57, what is the priority of these features for you?

Thanks for sharing your opinion which makes a lot of sense. To answer your question in regards to what my priority is, I'd say it's quite similar to yours :

Originally Posted by metallicpea

For me, I will not be driving this car to the limits of dry grip, nor will I drive with these tires in the snow or ice, so it is more about ride, wet traction, noise and value(miles per $). In that order.

Like you, I won't be driving my car to the limits and I won't be driving in the snow. So I think this is the order that suits my interests:

1. Ride Comfort
2. Grip (straight-line and cornering - dry, wet, snow, ice) in that order
3. Noise
4. Treadwear
5. Cost

One other point worthy of mentioning is that I prefer a tire that still performs reasonably well as it wears. I found that some tires perform horribly as they age, especially in the wet. My experience has been very positive with Michelin, but to be fair I haven't tried all the tires available to know how well some of the other top contenders compare.

[440xiGCMsport]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Don't kid yourself.

In temps > 60F the PSS is far superior to the A/S3 both in dry and wet.

What he meant to say was that they are almost the same when he is grandma driving.

[metallicpea]

Originally Posted by BM57

Thanks for sharing your opinion which makes a lot of sense. To answer your question in regards to what my priority is, I'd say it's quite similar to yours :



Like you, I won't be driving my car to the limits and I won't be driving in the snow. So I think this is the order that suits my interests:

1. Ride Comfort
2. Grip (straight-line and cornering - dry, wet, snow, ice) in that order
3. Noise
4. Treadwear
5. Cost

One other point worthy of mentioning is that I prefer a tire that still performs reasonably well as it wears. I found that some tires perform horribly as they age, especially in the wet. My experience has been very positive with Michelin, but to be fair I haven't tried all the tires available to know how well some of the other top contenders compare.

Well, that makes it tougher, but I still think the Conti DWS 06, as it gets slightly better marks for 1, 3, 4 and 5, and the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ get better grades for dry and wet grip. I couldn't find any test results for snow or ice, but survey results suggest the Conti is significantly better here. Normally I wouldn't put too much weight into survey results, but the margin is pretty big in these categories.

As for performance as they age, it mostly effects wet, snow and ice. Different tire, but I just went through a pair of Conti DW and the wet was pretty good until they were bald on the inner half, so I'd say they aged pretty well, plus with the longer treadwear life, you will get more miles before the performance starts to become compromised. I was very happy with my replacement set.

On the other hand, looking at the tread design, the Michelins, with the mostly straight grooves, are probably better for wet performance life, where the extra quantity of deep cross sipes on the Conti will probably fare better on snow/ice grip in both the short and long term.

Seriously, both tires are fantastic, so you really can't go wrong, but I like the overall value of the Continentals better. I'll be buying them when my car arrives.

As an aside, historically, I never considered Continental much. Lots of Bridgestones for me, but recently I have found a couple of their tires to be very good. Have and had several Michelins too, but the comfort and the cost vs performance has not been enough for me to be exclusive.

If everyone put this much care into their tires, we would have fewer accidents. Happy driving.

[IndotagSwizz]

I've had the AS3s for over 20k and they are amazing, I've never had more trust and confidence when I take a sharp turn or a ramp on the highway. Wet grip is ridiculously good, I remember hitting puddles on the stock contis runflats before I got the AS3s and always holding on for dear life as the car would easily hydroplane. Now even with my tires half way wore down in never even moves.

[beanbaguk]

I'm glad I'm not the only one ditching runflats. First time I've had them on a car and they're horrific.

My F31 came standard with a set of Goodyear EfficientGrip ROF and what a pile of chunder.

Limited if any grip in the wet, unpredictable in the dry, noisy and very hard.

I'm getting Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's fitted all around. Sadly a non-runflat Asymmetric 3 option isn't available yet so I'll get those fitted next year.

I also considered the Michelin Pilot Sport 4's but again, it was hard to get the right size for my wheels (225/45/R18 - 255/40/R18).

[n55x3]

I run the AS3's in the winter months here in Ohio and they are a fantastic tire. When it comes time to swap on my summer rubber I can hardly tell the difference. I would not have any problems at all running AS3's all year around. This is on a 335i MSport RWD.

I had the DWS in the past (~4 years ago) and they were horrible handling tire, great in snow but terrible on dry pavement. I have heard the new DWS are much better but can't comment on that.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by bahasad

I have 245/40/19s all around. Perfect fitment. The size will depend on your wheels/suspension.

I was referring to the stock 19in sizes