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      05-25-2017, 01:32 AM   #67
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So, yes then, in your opinion. Which is what I said in the first place.

I wasn't referring to all of your post, just your views on Corbyn.

I don't really like him, but I don't think he'd mess too much with national security in this climate. That is my opinion, not yours.

All politicians are two faced, check out Theresa Mays change of heart on lots of policies.

It's strange, if you say you're voting conservative, you aren't force fed my opposition of your choice. I respect your choice to make it if you agree with more of their policies.

Anyone who declares even just a possible vote for Labour is jumped on and told they are wrong.

The media won't make my decision for me, individual politicians won't make my decision for me and contributors to a BMW website won't either. I am looking at the manifestos of both parties in with a chance and will vote for the party that sits most comfortably with me. Right now it is Labour.
Where your opinion is that Corbyn would not mess with the defence of the country, could please explain what that is based on, as it very clearly goes against pretty much everything Corbyn has stood for as an mp.

I am not anti labour and previously have said with Hilary Benn or similar, then they would be a decent choice.

Purely reading manifestos is a bit pointless, over a number of governments very few stick to any part of their manifesto.

The huge concern with Corbyns labour is just how under the kosh from the likes of Len Mcclusky, who has far too much influence.

With Corbyn and John McDonnell would gladly ruin this country, both are not fit to represent this country on a global stage.

Consider even if Corbyns labour get in to power, the majority of its MPS will (as they have been doing) voting contrary to their leader, not exactly a united Labour Party, then again its more like The UNITE Labour Party.
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I actually disagree with you here.

I think the bombing will focus people's minds on leadership. At a time like this can you really imagine Corbyn and Abbott leading a Cobra meeting? I find that idea very scary.
I find the idea of those two in charge of anything scary !! I'm working class and have voted Labour in the past. But I will never vote Labour as long as those two hold any form of power.

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Seriously you are not aware of his past?

A simple Google reveals plenty.



All things that Labour and the left wing don't want us to to see, or forget about
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This is another example of why Corbyn is an utter Cnut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069744

Note how he says it was wrong because it took civilian lives, from that simple statement it's easy to see how he viewed loss of life among the Armed Forces.

People are actually going to vote for this terrorist supporting scum?

Shame on you.
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      05-28-2017, 03:36 AM   #71
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drag down the higher rate tax bands (which will raise more tax from a few, but won't raise anything like the tax income that a modest tax increase for all would generate)
This is an important point. As a top rate taxpayer, I wouldn't be delighted at paying more tax, but I'd be content to do it if I thought it would make a difference. Frankly, I wish Osbourne had never cut it from 50p in the first place - I would find it a lot harder to adjust now, whereas if he'd left alone it'd all be priced into my outgoings long since.

But the reality is that this is one of the few areas the Lib Dems have it right. If you're going to tax and spend, you probably have go big or go home. A bit from everyone will raise more, it's just a fact. But Labour are more concerned with the PR perception of fairness than the reality of what it takes to deliver better services. And as a party that's supposed to be what they are for.
This is a concern to me - increased top rate tax - and I agreed, I'll pay it if I see a commitment to ring-fencing for social/health/education budget.

I really am undecided. I'm a Tory voter normally but I'd like it to be possible to vote Tory, except May and Hunt. Can I have that box please?
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Did anyone see Dianne Abbott on Andrew Marr this morning? Dear God and she would be in charge of OUR security and safety . If that's not reason enough I do not know what is.

The clips about the IRA loving and haircuts is bad enough but the rest of the interview was appaling.
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I think if Dianne Abbott a classic champagne socialist - was home secretary it would be the best reason to f off out of this country before brexit! Dear god is right - its the stuff of nightmares.
How can anyone vote for this party at the moment - unite have complied the labour manifesto! Its like we are back to 1970 again and communism. - WTF!
If labour moved to the centre I might be tempted but not with the shower of shit shadow cabinet and leader they have the moment.
I do think since millband dropped the labour party fee to a few quid we have had some sabotage from perhaps tory voters voting Corbyn in.
Weird situation in that he has the backing of the party (via Entryism?) but not his own MP's.

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Did anyone see Dianne Abbott on Andrew Marr this morning? Dear God and she would be in charge of OUR security and safety . If that's not reason enough I do not know what is.

The clips about the IRA loving and haircuts is bad enough but the rest of the interview was appaling.
Just think, Corbyns been nuts deep with her
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Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry running the country, managing the economy, negotiating our exit from the EU and representing the UK on the international stage? I don't think so. None of them are fit to hold key posts in opposition, never mind in government
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You could say the same about Hunt, Rudd, Johnson and Hammond to be honest. And May has hardly covered herself in glory either. Where are the political heavyweights? They are probably all running businesses and earning substantially more money...
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You could say the same about Hunt, Rudd, Johnson and Hammond to be honest. And May has hardly covered herself in glory either. Where are the political heavyweights? They are probably all running businesses and earning substantially more money...
Can't disagree. The heavyweights are long since gone, along with integrity, real intellect and a selfless commitment to public life
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The choices are so bad I'm close to not voting at all.

I'd love to have a choice between say David Cameron and David Milliband for this election. Shame one committed personal political suicide and the other walked away after his party committed political suicide.
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drag down the higher rate tax bands (which will raise more tax from a few, but won't raise anything like the tax income that a modest tax increase for all would generate)
This is an important point. As a top rate taxpayer, I wouldn't be delighted at paying more tax, but I'd be content to do it if I thought it would make a difference. Frankly, I wish Osbourne had never cut it from 50p in the first place - I would find it a lot harder to adjust now, whereas if he'd left alone it'd all be priced into my outgoings long since.

But the reality is that this is one of the few areas the Lib Dems have it right. If you're going to tax and spend, you probably have go big or go home. A bit from everyone will raise more, it's just a fact. But Labour are more concerned with the PR perception of fairness than the reality of what it takes to deliver better services. And as a party that's supposed to be what they are for.
This is a concern to me - increased top rate tax - and I agreed, I'll pay it if I see a commitment to ring-fencing for social/health/education budget.

I really am undecided. I'm a Tory voter normally but I'd like it to be possible to vote Tory, except May and Hunt. Can I have that box please?
The problem is, I'll pay it too, and all you will see is less people paying it. The spend being ring fenced which would mean either the rate has to go up or the threshold for having to pay the extra cash go down.

It isn't sustainable, the only sustainable option is to increase earnings of everyone and therefore increase the tax receipts overall.

Labour have this mentality of spending without long term plans of bringing the cash in, and so results to borrowing, and you'll have a repeat of 2008.

It's not about voting Tory for me it's about voting for longevity in the economy and I don't believe labour or lib dems can provide it.
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And the most worrying thing is Labour have closed the gap even more from last weekend! Quite frightening really.
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It's a tough one for me, I live in Northern Ireland so does my vote really count?

Our executive here at Stormont has collapsed since January, and even if it was running we can't directly vote specifically red or blue.

For the record, my preference is Jeremy Corbyn, more of what he says is believable and I agree with more points in his manifesto than the Torys.

Theresa May is all over the place running the country at the moment, her interview with Andrew Neil was a car crash and after her complete U-turn on cost caps I don't think she can be trusted.
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It's a tough one for me, I live in Northern Ireland so does my vote really count?

Our executive here at Stormont has collapsed since January, and even if it was running we can't directly vote specifically red or blue.

For the record, my preference is Jeremy Corbyn, more of what he says is believable and I agree with more points in his manifesto than the Torys.

Theresa May is all over the place running the country at the moment, her interview with Andrew Neil was a car crash and after her complete U-turn on cost caps I don't think she can be trusted.

You of course realise a vote for Corbyn is a vote for Sinn Fein and unification of Ireland?

It's almost a certainty that Corbyn would agree to anything Adams said and push for Irish unification - he has banged on about it in Parliament enough.

Admittedly for us over here, that is the only benefit of Corbyn being elected
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You of course realise a vote for Corbyn is a vote for Sinn Fein and unification of Ireland?

It's almost a certainty that Corbyn would agree to anything Adams said and push for Irish unification - he has banged on about it in Parliament enough.

Admittedly for us over here, that is the only benefit of Corbyn being elected
Seems you can't get rid of us soon enough? Lol
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I'm starting to worry he's going to get in. The clip below is from the Cons YouTube channel, but the fact is, he has said it all - and in the recent past...

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You of course realise a vote for Corbyn is a vote for Sinn Fein and unification of Ireland?

It's almost a certainty that Corbyn would agree to anything Adams said and push for Irish unification - he has banged on about it in Parliament enough.

Admittedly for us over here, that is the only benefit of Corbyn being elected
As you say corbyn is pro sinn fein so for that reason I hope he dosent get anywhere near getting elected.

He is a usless, weak excuse of a man who couldnt run a bath never mind a country.
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As you say corbyn is pro sinn fein so for that reason I hope he dosent get anywhere near getting elected.

He is a usless, weak excuse of a man who couldnt run a bath never mind a country.
It's hard to believe that such a scruffy individual was an official with the Tailors and Garment Workers' Union.

Obviously the time spent there did not rub off on him.



I can really see him making those hard decisions.

Picture the scene, 747 cargo plane inbound to the UK, fails to respond to air traffic on continent or the UK.

Typhoon scrambled, still no contact with the 747.

Typhoons intercept, still 747 does not respond.

747 is now on direct path to Wembley where FA cup is being played.

Still no contact.

Just what would Corbyn do?
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As you say corbyn is pro sinn fein so for that reason I hope he dosent get anywhere near getting elected.

He is a usless, weak excuse of a man who couldnt run a bath never mind a country.
It's hard to believe that such a scruffy individual was an official with the Tailors and Garment Workers' Union.

Obviously the time spent there did not rub off on him.



I can really see him making those hard decisions.

Picture the scene, 747 cargo plane inbound to the UK, fails to respond to air traffic on continent or the UK.

Typhoon scrambled, still no contact with the 747.

Typhoons intercept, still 747 does not respond.

747 is now on direct path to Wembley where FA cup is being played.

Still no contact.

Just what would Corbyn do?
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And you all think Theresa May is a better option?

The woman cant make up her mind on costing caps, how is she going to make her mind up to push that big red button if the time comes?

Not to mention going and making friends with the middle east and having a close relationship with that imbecile Trump.
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