[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by drive335

Yep.


Yep.


Good for you.


I never mentioned that act. But if you get a tune, it's easy enough to remove it and demand that the dealer figure out the cause of the failure (especially if it's a piggyback like the JB4 or BMS Stage 1). Or you could be good friends with someone at the dealership. Either way, easy enough.

And again, thousands of people have their N55s tuned without any issues. If you don't want to take that chance, that's fine and on you.

Sounds like fraud and you're trying to hide something.

You are a beacon of integrity! I like it!

Drive on!

[donkey]

Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
She was looking kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb
In the shape of an "L" on her forehead
Well the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
So much to do, so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now, wait till you get older
But the meteor men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
The water's getting warm so you might as well swim
My world's on fire, how about yours?
That's the way I like it and I never get bored
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
All that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show, on get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars
Somebody once asked could I spare some change for gas?
I need to get myself away from this place
I said yep what a concept
I could use a little fuel myself
And we could all use a little change
Well, the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
So much to do, so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
You'll never know if you don't go (go!)
You'll never shine if you don't glow
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by drive335

You put the emphasis on the wrong part but I'll take it!

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Oh..double dipping are we with the memes?

[ScarecrowBoat]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

If it was so easy to up power with no consequences, BMW would have already done it.

This is pretty much common sense for anyone who is an engineer by profession...

It is also common sense to an engineer by profession that they have a pretty significant margin of safety. It is also plainly obvious to anybody with common sense that they will not create an engine that makes as much power as it safely could for many other reasons such as emissions, linear power delivery, drivability, availability of high octane gasoline, insurance costs, and keeping their higher performance cars at a more significant advantage. My mom won't care if her 335 has 300 hp or 400 hp because it's plenty fast and she would prefer a more predictable car. Many of us on this enthusiast forum prefer more power. My old 135i had an absolutely idiotic torque curve, but I loved driving it. Many wouldn't. It's understandable why BMW wouldn't produce a car that drove like that.

If you don't like it, don't do it, and what's the point in trying to convince others that not doing it is somehow the more righteous or better way? The thousands upon thousands of N5X owners who have tuned their engines within reason without poor results shows that your concern is misguided.

[donkey]

Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
She was looking kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb
In the shape of an "L" on her forehead
Well the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
So much to do, so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now, wait till you get older
But the meteor men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
The water's getting warm so you might as well swim
My world's on fire, how about yours?
That's the way I like it and I never get bored
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
All that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show, on get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars
Somebody once asked could I spare some change for gas?
I need to get myself away from this place
I said yep what a concept
I could use a little fuel myself
And we could all use a little change
Well, the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
So much to do, so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
You'll never know if you don't go (go!)
You'll never shine if you don't glow
Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold

[Jack733825]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Just be truthful in your answer to this question: Can you afford a replacement N55 long block out of pocket?

The bottom line is if you decide to get an unauthorized tune and you happen to have a catastrophic engine failure where that tune could reasonably be a contributing factor, you are rolling the dice on whether it's going to be covered under warranty.

You may be not get as lucky as that guy. Perhaps his dealer was willing to go to bat for him because he's a repeat customer and brings in a pretty decent book of business. Heck, I've factory ordered a 335i in 2014 and a X3 35i in 2016, have a pretty good working relationship with my dealer, and I wouldn't chance it!

I always chuckle when someone gives the poorly researched opinion: "But the dealer has to prove it! Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act says they do!" In practice, if they deny it, it's on you to prove they are wrong.

I would imagine most people own 35's have no problem afford another N55, otherwise it makes very little financial sense to buy the car from the get go. I mean, you don't buy it knowing you'll end up leaving barely 5k in the bank right? Like people don't think about houses when they have problem with property tax

[ocN55]

Wow, I'm amazed that this thread has made it to page 5...

OP's questions are absurd

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by ocN55

Wow, I'm amazed that this thread has made it to page 5...

OP's questions are absurd

Oh..just wait for it..we still have not touched on how it takes a certain IQ to be a valid Bmw owner and how any imbecile can own a 3 series and the order of mods that should be undertaken...and charts and shit...we have a long ways to go here.

[Polo08816]

[obriennathaniel]

what?!?! you mean all the money ive dumped into my car to achieve my massive power gains increases the chances that ill grenade my motor? well thats news to me

I feel like the original post was filled with envy and a personal vendetta against people with powerful 335's. Guess I should have bought that M6 instead

[963mw]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

You just went through a whole lot of effort to make that. No one cares. Stop trying.

[963mw]

Originally Posted by obriennathaniel

what?!?! you mean all the money ive dumped into my car to achieve my massive power gains increases the chances that ill grenade my motor? well thats news to me

I feel like the original post was filled with envy and a personal vendetta against people with powerful 335's. Guess I should have bought that M6 instead

N55 Tuning Master is here

[obriennathaniel]

Originally Posted by 963mw

N55 Tuning Master is here

HA! By no means am I even anything close to a tuner lol. I know a few things, but I just give the right people the money to do the tuning, I just do the installing and adjustments.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by 963mw

You just went through a whole lot of effort to make that. No one cares. Stop trying.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by obriennathaniel

what?!?! you mean all the money ive dumped into my car to achieve my massive power gains increases the chances that ill grenade my motor? well thats news to me

I feel like the original post was filled with envy and a personal vendetta against people with powerful 335's. Guess I should have bought that M6 instead

Well, based on your posts (along with some others like cryptocar, etc.) in the past it seemed that you clearly understood the risks of modifying and were willing to bear the costs of its consequences.

To that, I have no argument.

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by obriennathaniel

what?!?! you mean all the money ive dumped into my car to achieve my massive power gains increases the chances that ill grenade my motor? well thats news to me

I feel like the original post was filled with envy and a personal vendetta against people with powerful 335's. Guess I should have bought that M6 instead

So...care to jump in to this: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1254131

Maybe not, right? Sort of a rhetorical question.

[obriennathaniel]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Well, based on your posts (along with some others like cryptocar, etc.) in the past it seemed that you clearly understood the risks of modifying and were willing to bear the costs of its consequences.

To that, I have no argument.

Understandable

Originally Posted by jgoens

So...care to jump in to this: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1254131

Maybe not, right? Sort of a rhetorical question.

Thats an N20, ive heard of a few of them blowing on high boost. That motor def cant handle the sheer amount of increased power like an N55 can.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by obriennathaniel

what?!?! you mean all the money ive dumped into my car to achieve my massive power gains increases the chances that ill grenade my motor? well thats news to me

I feel like the original post was filled with envy and a personal vendetta against people with powerful 335's. Guess I should have bought that M6 instead

No vendetta; just food for thought.

The original post was designed to answer a very simple question -- If making power RELIABLY is as easy as the after market community would have you believe; then why doesn't BMW follow this same path? Can't get any more clear than that.

With regard to comments made about cost not being a factor in making a non-M 3 series purchase i.e. "I could have picked up an M3 if I wanted".....doesn't apply to everyone. I for one could not "pick up" an M3. I have a well loaded 335i and that was my ceiling.

I also cannot afford $15K for a new N55 motor. Therefore, MPPK was my threshold.

Before the "don't tune" Cowboys emerge....understand, that was never the question to begin.

Furthermore, why is the forum filled with talk about removing piggybacks prior to dealer service or "finding a chillaxed SA who will turn a blind eye"? I mean come on.....if you're that confident in your tune, and you know something that BMW clearly doesn't about the tolerance levels of these powerplants, then why the fear of potentially losing your warranty?

Comments such as the N55 can hold 600whp and the ZF8HP45 can handle it are just laughable!

See...everything is fine, until is isn't. That's when you have the poor ba$tard come on here telling his story about how his motor grenaded and that he made sure to remove his piggyback before dropping the car off at the dealer. Then 15 posts later everyone tells him to be careful about posting on a public forum and that he should stop posting as big brother BMW is watching. Lol.

......and no I don't have N55 envy; the N20 example was to ask the question of what happens when these "tuned" power plants grenade. I have an N55.

[lens]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

No vendetta; just food for thought.

The original post was designed to answer a very simple question -- If making power RELIABLY is as easy as the after market community would have you believe; then why doesn't BMW follow this same path? Can't get any more clear than that.

With regard to comments made about cost not being a factor in making a non-M 3 series purchase i.e. "I could have picked up an M3 if I wanted".....doesn't apply to everyone. I for one could not "pick up" an M3. I have a well loaded 335i and that was my ceiling.

I also cannot afford $15K for a new N55 motor. Therefore, MPPK was my threshold.

Before the "don't tune" Cowboys emerge....understand, that was never the question to begin.

Furthermore, why is the forum filled with talk about removing piggybacks prior to dealer service or "finding a chillaxed SA who will turn a blind eye"? I mean come on.....if you're that confident in your tune, and you know something that BMW clearly doesn't about the tolerance levels of these powerplants, then why the fear of potentially losing your warranty?

Comments such as the N55 can hold 600whp and the ZF8HP45 can handle it are just laughable!

See...everything is fine, until is isn't. That's when you have the poor ba$tard come on here telling his story about how his motor grenaded and that he made sure to remove his piggyback before dropping the car off at the dealer. Then 15 posts later everyone tells him to be careful about posting on a public forum and that he should stop posting as big brother BMW is watching. Lol.

......and no I don't have N55 envy; the N20 example was to ask the question of what happens when these "tuned" power plants grenade. I have an N55.

Well, there is a reason why they release the MPPK for the 35i/40i series and not the 20/28i series biw isn't there?

Because the engine can handle it, and they want to milk money off of the consumers. The 35i series has proven over the years that it can handle the power, until you start putting race gas or ethanol, but just pump gas tunes and it runs the upped boost no problem with the upgraded chargepipes.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

No vendetta; just food for thought.

The original post was designed to answer a very simple question -- If making power RELIABLY is as easy as the after market community would have you believe; then why doesn't BMW follow this same path? Can't get any more clear than that.

With regard to comments made about cost not being a factor in making a non-M 3 series purchase i.e. "I could have picked up an M3 if I wanted".....doesn't apply to everyone. I for one could not "pick up" an M3. I have a well loaded 335i and that was my ceiling.

I also cannot afford $15K for a new N55 motor. Therefore, MPPK was my threshold.

Before the "don't tune" Cowboys emerge....understand, that was never the question to begin.

Furthermore, why is the forum filled with talk about removing piggybacks prior to dealer service or "finding a chillaxed SA who will turn a blind eye"? I mean come on.....if you're that confident in your tune, and you know something that BMW clearly doesn't about the tolerance levels of these powerplants, then why the fear of potentially losing your warranty?

Comments such as the N55 can hold 600whp and the ZF8HP45 can handle it are just laughable!

See...everything is fine, until is isn't. That's when you have the poor ba$tard come on here telling his story about how his motor grenaded and that he made sure to remove his piggyback before dropping the car off at the dealer. Then 15 posts later everyone tells him to be careful about posting on a public forum and that he should stop posting as big brother BMW is watching. Lol.

......and no I don't have N55 envy; the N20 example was to ask the question of what happens when these "tuned" power plants grenade. I have an N55.

I have my doubts, but time will tell.

I don't have a lot of confidence in a tuned setup for my particular use case which amounts to:
- 30,000 miles per year
- Tracking the car for 15-30 min sessions

And I certainly don't want to be in the guinea pig in terms of warranty.

Originally Posted by chaungo

Well, there is a reason why they release the MPPK for the 35i/40i series and not the 20/28i series biw isn't there?

Because the engine can handle it, and they want to milk money off of the consumers. The 35i series has proven over the years that it can handle the power, until you start putting race gas or ethanol, but just pump gas tunes and it runs the upped boost no problem with the upgraded chargepipes.

The pessimist in me agrees that based on the availability of the MPPK suggests that the N55 can handle more power than the N20/26. However, how much more over the long term is apparently up for debate.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I have my doubts, but time will tell.

I don't have a lot of confidence in a tuned setup for my particular use case which amounts to:
- 30,000 miles per year
- Tracking the car for 15-30 min sessions

And I certainly don't want to be in the guinea pig in terms of warranty.



The pessimist in me agrees that based on the availability of the MPPK suggests that the N55 can handle more power than the N20/26. However, how much more over the long term is apparently up for debate.

As much as I hate using this example,

Look at Dinan and their "warranty" that mirrors BMW.

Would you call their stage 4 something good over the long term? No normal tuning based company would offer the same warranty, mind you, it does cost twice as much, but if something does happen over that time, which I haven't heard happen yet (other than chargepipe blowing) then that money paid would be worth it.