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I still think that - in addition to the power (which can be addressed in a 335 if so desired) - the big disadvantages for the 335 that aren't fairly inexpensive to correct are the LSD and suspension...and of course the weight! To be clear, I am not advocating buying and modding a 335 as an alternative to buying an M3... just saying that for those who already own a 335 M sport with a few factory/M Perf options, you don't have to go crazy to have a respectable track car (in lieu of selling it to buy an M3).
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it will really be interesting to see heavily modified E90/F30 vs. F80 at local track days to see how they do in the real world in terms of track times, heat resistance and durability.
F80 does sound great on paper, but same track at the same time is the only way we'll know for sure |
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01-14-2014, 09:44 PM | #25 |
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I sold my e92 M3 to get an xDrive 335 F30 after having children (and requiring more winter safety) so all I need now to get an M3 again... is (OMG I AM GOING TO SAY IT) an X-drive M3. Please BMW... make me an X-drive M3 ! Maybe LCI? I can dream ... |
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You're not crazy. There are exactly 3 of us that dream of this... A primary RWD M3 that you can enable xdrive at the driver's discretion... much like I could choose between RWD and AWD in my mid to late 2000s chevy SUVs. The problem is that there are too few of us, and to ruin the RWD dynamics for the added weight is not worth it. For someone like me that must get to work regardless of weather I will have to deal with the fact that my BMW DD will always be an xdrive. An M3 would be my daily driver, so I really couldn't compromise those few times that getting to work would be dangerous or impossible (and let's not get into that whole AWD vs RWD snow tire bullshit, I need AWD and snows to ensure I get to and from work safely). Ultimately if we want an AWD sports car we should get a porsche, GTR, or some audi RS model. It won't be in an LCI, we'll be surprised if it is even offered on a 2017/8 M5 |
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Or I'll buy a used M3 and track it and keep current 335i as DD. I need a LSD on this f'er for HPDE though.....
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I only wish the M3 was a mere 10K more, over here 20K is the difference between the 328 and 335 ... the M3 is just another 60K on top of that.
So if you want one, just buy one .. keep the dream alive LOL |
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a 3 series/ 4 series is a regular car that competes against all the other regular cars you see on the road every day. An M3/M4 is an order of magnitude higher. It has very few competitors if any on the road. I never regretted spending the extra 20 grand for my M3 back in 2004, which still gives me a thrill to drive 10 years later. Since the new M is way more radical I would think it a good deal if it was 30 grand over the regular F30. Now way will it be only 10 grand more but if only 20 grand more then that is a great deal for a near-supercar that holds 4 adults.
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I did not see this comparison but I can imagine that a Euro spec Focus ST which is a modern 30-40k sports hatch might perform well against an E46M3, just as it would blow away your 335i at the track. I've read plenty of similar comparisons over the years comparing an M3 against similar low end cars like WRX's. Indeed if all you care about is a 0-60 time and a skidpad score then an M3 will always lose to cheaper boy racers. But those cars will never win in any comparison where you include fit and finish, craftsmanship, handing on real roads, seating for 4 tall adults, etc...
By the way did you see the Motortrend comparison in 2004 of "the years best driver's car" and the E46 M3 beat all the Ferraris, Porsches, and a handful of other cars more than twice the price of the M3?
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html Here are Mazda Laguna Seca times for the ST, with Randy at the steering wheel (arguably one of the best drivers at Mazda Laguna Seca) it did a 1:49, the 135i which was beaten by the F30 at VIR did a 1:46 (w/out Randy). I wouldn't say the ST is intimidating. Unfortunately time catches up with everyone but the F80/82 are full of WIN
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I will pass, I have already started a 300hp to 430hp fund Time needs to catch up with it (years)
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Me three. I was actually thinking about this last night. I do have a used M3 for track use and wonder if I should sell both and get a new M3. First world problems..
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Yes that is the topic. To me, I never cared for the 2 door 3 series cars except for the M3 which is now M4. A 2 door is a stylistic choice over practicality for people who like the sporty handsome look of a sports coupe, so why not get the ultimate version? Obviously, disposable income plays a huge roll, both in purchase price and then fuel cost over the life of the car.
In my case, I don't have to decide about trading up to an F80 because I need my F31 wagon as a practical family car. If they made an F81 M wagon I'd be going crazy though!
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