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10k? I think it's worth 20k over a non M car. Case in point, my 4 came to $55k. 3 years from now when my lease is up, barring an economic crash, I'll pay $75k for an M4 without blinking an eye.
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...except throttle response, noise, torque profile, revlimit, repairs and reliability, temperatures.. etc. Torque numbers and fuel consumption aren't everything.
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In the order that you listed.....
..and I quote you as saying, "torque numbers and fuel consumption aren't everything". Well neither are rev limits and mechanical/exhaust noises. Last edited by Sedan_Clan; 01-15-2014 at 07:05 PM.. |
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I was thinking of picking one up in about 2 years (half way through my current lease) but I'm not sure if I'll still be in love with the styling. I get bored of cars rather quick, and think in a couple of years I'll find the f30 boring, and to jump into an m3 which taking away the aggressive styling, very much resembles the f30.
Having said all that I'm not sure what I'll do. There will definitely emerge some new players in the next couple of years. The Toyota FT-1 concept looks fantastic. We'll see how it goes. |
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Of course it is, thank you for your entirely legitimate post, with all of the supporting evidence!
While we're on the topic of the future, will cars start flying in 2015 as suggested in back to the future? And will the weather forecasts be spot on? I hope you're right, but you're wrong until proven otherwise. |
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Damn Sedan is crushing yall right now LOL...No 2 ways about it, nothing can compare to M cars!
Is it worth the money...Hell Yes! To turn a 335 into an m3ish car costs at least 10 grand, and guess what, You still dont drive an M3! |
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xDrive M3 is not likely anytime soon... this is from a recent interview with Friedrich Nitschke, the President of M GmbH:
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I'll put my foot in my mouth around 2018-2020. The statement didn't specify an M3 x drive. There are already confirmations on the considerations of xdrive on the M5/6, but never anything for an M3/4. It will likely be the first transition to ///M performance autos like an ///M 235xi, then maybe M5. I don't think it's going to happen. |
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I didn't say soon, I just said that it will be. Keep in mind, these are the same people that swore that a BMW ///M SAV would never exist and that BMW ///M cars would be naturally aspirated forever. We all see how both of those most candid declarations panned out.
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Does anyone else find it funny that people are actually asking for xdrive on any of the M cars. Just so we are clear I am not referring to anyone above with xdrive in one or more of their posts. I am referring to the Q&A section about the M3/4 on the front page. What happened? I thought xdrive was despised when it came to the F30 and to hear xdrive (pro xdrive) and F80/2 mentioned in the same post seems weird to me.
If I ever get an M3 I will not get xdrive if it were ever offered only because in my view M has always been about rwd. However if Porsche and Ferrari offer awd then I guess times have changed and I always embrace change.
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In some ways they haven't changed because "motorsport" is about being the fastest and at high power levels and/or in the wet it is fastest to have AWD to put the power down (i.e. latest E63)
and of course the other thing M stands for is "marketing", and AWD sells way more in the US northeast |
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Here is a perfect example of why 0-60 means nothing in the real world Save rwd in M, leave the awd to Audi in the RS models
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It's delusional to think the S55 is anything more than a tuned, tweaked, cooled N55. I like what it is--great for the street. That's about it. And wouldn't want to own one outside of warranty. For track days I'll take a reliable NA BMW M motor.
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I'm not going to dignify your post with a lengthy response. I'm not an idiot! Most of what you're staying is STILL conjecture until we have quantitative data on the car. Furthermore, Valvetronic and HPI make individual throttle bodies redundant. Sure you can still use ITB's, but there is no reason to add complexity if it does not benefit performance and responsiveness. Carry on! |
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