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In any case - you are correct no 325d F30 exists yet (there is still a 325d E92, I think, using an I6 rather than the I4). But that doesn't mean they won't offer one soon, and in fact, it does not mean they could not have created one just for the US. See the X1 35i as an example of a model created primarily to suit US tastes, though it will probably be sold in Canada and elsewhere too, yes. Quote:
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07-14-2012, 09:18 AM | #114 | |
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And yes, I am very aware of the output of the HO N47TT - if you look at my past posts I have been clamoring for BMW to bring that engine to the US in the X1 and 3 Series for about a year now. Unfortunately, it looks like we just get the 180hp single turbo N47 instead. But as I said already, I am not going to be all Debbie-Downer here - this is still A Good Thing. |
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By the way, I checked out bmw.com, and not only is the 218hp N47 TT used in the X1 now, but I was reminded that they have also added this engine to the F2x 1 Series as of late last year as well. It is a bit strange, then, that to date neither the 3 Series nor X3 get this engine anywhere in the world. It leaves a big gap in those models' lineups. I suspect we'll see both added very soon. |
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07-14-2012, 10:10 AM | #117 |
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I was talking to a local resource at the dealership a week ago and he stated the future diesels models with be coupled with xDrive. I don't know if he was planning on there being a 4 cylinder version though.
As we know the dealerships are not always the best resource. I hope he wrong. I personally don't mind but I know the purists will. I imagine that the larger models (5 series etc.) will see the 6 cyl and the 1's 3's the 4 cyl. He stated that if you want to get a 335d without xDrive now's the time. Could be a sales pitch This is great news and BMW is positioning themselves well to take it to the competition if they play their cards right. I love the smell of Diesel in the morning. It smells like victory!
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I remember trips to EU as a kid and Mercs were used as taxis lol. Manual tranny, cloth seats, and manual windows. That would not sell in the US, and if it did the higher end buyers would most likely flee the brand.
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Take a look at the pricing at bmw.co.uk and you'll see what I mean. |
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07-14-2012, 11:00 AM | #123 | |
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Reflexively, unlike in Europe, we don't have *20i and *30i (though the latter will soon be gone, at least for a while, once the N53 is retired) to act as direct counterparts to the diesel models of the same numeric badge identity. So if we get the diesel badges as they "rightly" should be in keeping with the ROW, there will be no direct comparators for diesel vs. gasoline. |
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07-14-2012, 11:17 AM | #124 |
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if they're going to charge more for each diesel that it's respective gas engine, forget 320, 325, or 330, they will be badged a 328d and 335d to justify that extra expense to the American market
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The 25d engine must be added to 3 series and X3 for sure, as Merc sells a lot of 250cdi models even under the S and new ML hood
The new 8 speed sport auto is a better combo with a diesel than a manual. |
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Great news that BMW is giving us some options in the future. My question is how will it play out through the model line.
If I had to guess I would say the following would have the option of the 2.0L: Mini Cooper, New FWD car (1 Series?), the current 1 Series which moves to the 2 series, 3 series, 4 series, X1, X2, and X3. And then the following would have the option of the 3.0L: 3 series (M Performance engine?), 4 series (M Performance engine?), 5 series, 6 series, X3 (M Performance engine?), X5, X6, X7. - J
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Cool - this thread has been quoted\ referenced in the popular online magazine Zite.
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Before anything - go youtube and search "n47 chain" "n47 swirl flaps" |
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07-14-2012, 01:06 PM | #130 |
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From what I've seen, in the USA, BMW tends to charge a premium for the diesel engine. But, depending on Congress, sometimes you can get most or all of that as a tax credit. In many markets, the list price of the diesel version is very nearly the same as the closest gasoline equivalent. Now, I have not compared standard features - they may decontent it slightly to achieve that price parity.
It takes a fair amount of driving to break even when they charge $4-5K more for the diesel, which also limits response. In the USA, it might be a volume thing that causes the price difference. As the CAFE rules become stricter, the manufacturer has more of an incentive to promote more efficient versions, so that may help even out the costs here and is probably the primary reason they're offering them. There is a long memory of the horrible GM diesels produced decades ago...the modern thing is SO much different, but older buyers may still have that debacle in mind, or a smoking Peugeot when they think diesel! |
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With the inclusion of diesel into the US Market it is important not to get too carried away.
In regards to what models will benefit It will be the 3er , 5er , X1 and X3. There will not be a 3er Touring Diesel because the market is not big enough to support a Touring diesel if you want utility with diesel it will be the X1 , X3 and even the MINI Countryman you will be pointed in the direction of. Do not expect BMW to offer diesel equivalent of the 4er or 6er in North America because these are cars that are seen (and will always be seen) from a different perspective in their sporty-luxury positioning. The reason why no manual is that BMW do not see the market for diesel cars fitted with a manual to be worth the extra investment but no one is missing out as the eight speed transmission is a great benefit to BMW's diesel engines. The M50d is not coming to the USA. Because that engine is not US certified.
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In fact - diesel+manual is a choice of a masochist. [Big] Diesel+auto works perfect. IE : X5 3.5D is such an incredible car.
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