[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Maybe but not the same gap.

15-20k compared to 50-60 on one hand....

50-60 compared to 3 million (or whatever) on the other.

BMW is much closer to the civic than a koenigsigg and similar hypercars

OH Jeez I'm done!!!

No sense trying to make a point!

[jmg]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, This post first would have saved a lot of unnecessary traffic.

Think if I was to buy a BMW for pure handling an M2 might be pick of the litter. Heard some scuttlebutt about a GTS version like the M4GTS being possible for March 2019.

EDIT: Should have added why the M2.

Last BMW performance driving school I did we used both 340 & 240's depending on the exercise. You could really motor in the 240. My partner & I wore out the front tires on the 240 by halfway through the afternoon session.

For pure fun hands down if the car suits your needs size wise the 2 series is definitely the sweet spot up to the M4's.




M2GTS

An M2 GTS with just like 40-50 more hp and a hundred pounds lighter would be fantastic, and that render is stunning. Keep it under $70k and it's a real winner in my book, I would replace my M3 for it.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

OH Jeez I'm done!!!

No sense trying to make a point!

Your reasoning wasn't exactly sound. If I liked your argument I'd have simply hit appreciate and moved on. . It's not personal. I've actually enjoyed many of your posts in other threads. Their usually smart and insightful. In this thread though, you seemed to be mostly negative for some reason.

[ocN55]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

The 335 has sloppier suspension and a reputation for being too soft and more oriented for the masses. The 340 is better and fixed some of these problems.

If this is true about the 340i... that explains so why my 340i feels so much better in the corners than my M235i did.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Why so fragile! The man speaks the truth. Not like he is talking about a human child he's commenting on the attitudes of some who identify and own a stinkin car!! Here is one for you,people who own Porsches ,Lambos,Koenigs,Ferraris would feel your car is beneath them also. Because they have the same silly issue as a person whom identifies with their car. Jeez Relax,learn some objectivity ,that's all. It's not personal.

Imagine that scenario for a moment. Koenigsegg Agera owners, all ten of them or whatever, assembled online debating the merits of the bmw 3 series against their cars!

Mike: “The other day I drove my cousin’s 335i, and it performed admirably!” “It felt close enough to my Agera RS, that I found myself wondering if I should have just purchased a CPO 335i for $35,000 instead.” “I could have saved myself $1,965,000!”

Joe: “Oh, don’t be silly Mike,” “I don’t care if you claim that the 335i with a JB4 and bolt-ons can give an Agera RS fits on the track.” “I wouldn’t be caught dead in such an econobox”

Andre: “Oh my!” “Mike, you aren’t really experiencing buyer’s remorse on account of having driven your cousin’s 335i are you?” “Those are cars for the little people.” “Is that really you Mike, or did your kid brother hack into your account again?”

Mike: ”Thanks guys.” “Maybe I’ll lease one and drive it under the cover of night.”

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Imagine that scenario for a moment. Koenigsegg Agera owners, all ten of them or whatever, assembled online debating the merits of the bmw 3 series against their cars!

Mike: “The other day I drove my cousin’s 335i, and it performed admirably!” “It felt close enough to my Agera RS, that I found myself wondering if I should have just purchased a CPO 335i for $35,000 instead.” “I could have saved myself $1,965,000!”

Joe: “Oh, don’t be silly Mike,” “I don’t care if you claim that the 335i with a JB4 and bolt-ons can give an Agera RS fits on the track.” “I wouldn’t be caught dead in such an econobox”

Andre: “Oh my!” “Mike, you aren’t really experiencing buyer’s remorse on account of having driven your cousin’s 335i are you?” “Those are cars for the little people.” “Is that really you Mike, or did your kid brother hack into your account again?”

Mike: ”Thanks guys.” “Maybe I’ll lease one and drive it under the cover of night.”

Okay.... okay.... now let's end this on that hilarious note....

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Your reasoning wasn't exactly sound. If I liked your argument I'd have simply hit appreciate and moved on. . It's not personal. I've actually enjoyed many of your posts in other threads. Their usually smart and insightful. In this thread though, you seemed to be mostly negative for some reason.

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by sly1types

I will be curious to see what you think of this car on the track. I took mine out once this summer, I had a last minute issue with my M3 so I thought I will take the 335. It has the Mperf bbk and EDC suspension and it was horrible. I didn't have any cooling problems, but I was able to fade the brakes if driving anything over 5/10ths, it understeers horrible and you can't put any power down and it has so much body roll I though it was going to flip over...

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

You went to a 2016 thread in order to quote a post here that disparages the 335i...

That’s comittment! This thread just keeps more entertaining.

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by Fuller

You went to a 2016 thread in order to quote a post here that disparages the 335i...

That’s comittment! This thread just keeps more entertaining.

Lol.... I'm think'in of getting some MeganRacing roll bars... be able to fine tune a little better with out killing the ride for urban streets...most sport cars are set-up for some degree of understeer for the majority of drivers for safety reasons...

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Nice car Hey I have the same car

Forgot to comment... Thanks and really... same rims? I really like them... I've got staggered 225f/255r Cont's summer rf looking maybe firehawks... I've got the Mbrakes and must say they do work well... it's a fun cool car... enjoy!

[ceedawg]

Originally Posted by Fuller

You went to a 2016 thread in order to quote a post here that disparages the 335i...

That’s comittment! This thread just keeps more entertaining.

Not at all, I browse the track threads all the time since I want to eventually track my car. I am looking for ways to improve the loose handling of the stock suspension and in one of the track threads I ran into this comment and posted here just to show you what goes on with the car during track duty in particular. Just seems that you and your buddy have an issue with constructive criticism from folks about the handling dynamics of the car and interpret it to mean folks are saying the entire car is a complete total piece of crap! Your ego is in denial and blinded by the letters BMW.
Next car is an M2 while trying to improve the dynamics of this 335i. As an owner of past M cars and a track Mitsubishi presently I am hoping what’s out there aftermarket for this car can make a marked difference based on my experience in modding the stock suspension on my past cars especially my AMG C55. A total transformation.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

Not at all, I browse the track threads all the time since I want to eventually track my car. I am looking for ways to improve the loose handling of the stock suspension and in one of the track threads I ran into this comment and posted here just to show you what goes on with the car during track duty in particular. Just seems that you and your buddy have an issue with constructive criticism from folks about the handling dynamics of the car and interpret it to mean folks are saying the entire car is a complete total piece of crap! Your ego is in denial and blinded by the letters BMW.
Next car is an M2 while trying to improve the dynamics of this 335i. As an owner of past M cars and a track Mitsubishi presently I am hoping what’s out there aftermarket for this car can make a marked difference based on my experience in modding the stock suspension on my past cars especially my AMG C55. A total transformation.

Fair enough. Thanks for the info. Let us know how your 335i project fares. Even if generally satisfied with it for daily driving, I think most owners recognize that there's room for improvement, particularly in the suspension.

If I didn't need more room in the back seat, an m2 or 240i is what I'd probably go with as well.

[Rox335i]

Originally Posted by ceedawg

306 hp and 3116 lbs will murder our cars in a road race. Civicc SiR so unless you have an M2,3,or 4 I don't see it.

Try racing a miata on the track also and you will see what I mean ,it is totaly totally not about HP,size of rims etc.

Yup I agree

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Fair enough. Thanks for the info. Let us know how your 335i project fares. Even if generally satisfied with it for daily driving, I think most owners recognize that there's room for improvement, particularly in the suspension.

If I didn't need more room in the back seat, an m2 or 240i is what I'd probably go with as well.

He should test drive a 340 to see how it compares to 335. This is my first beemer so I don't know how it compares. It could be a little better I guess though I was told it was a vast improvement.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Rox335i

Yup I agree

Agree, but its also the track configuration. The Miata needs a short technical track. A 335 will outrun it at a longer track like VIR.

Super Bang for the buck M240. A good bang for the buck that car run with some heavy metal M2. Its about 1 second slower but a lot cheaper then an M4.

The M240 easily outruns the the 1, 3 & 4. I6T. Does better then them on a short track also.

Be interesting to see how the CiViC R does there.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by jmg

Is this thread still going? The answer was weight. WEIGHT.

/thread

I'm waiting, I'm waiting.

Weight? Wait.
What?
Weight.
Wait, what?
The answer is "weight".
What weight?
That's right, weight.
Weight?
Right.
Wait.
Oh, ok.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Excuse me but since I own 2 BMWs its hardly an attack against BMW owners.

That said have a nice day & try to enjoy your life even if a CiViC can get around a 90* corner quicker then your 335 can.

Warning!!! watch out for those Miata's they can eat your lunch on track days, you do do track days correct?

Those little Miatas/MX5s sure are sneaky little dingleberries.
At track days you have to hide your lunch, or keep constant eyes on it, because those little fk'ers will steal and eat it if you're not looking.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

He should test drive a 340 to see how it compares to 335. This is my first beemer so I don't know how it compares. It could be a little better I guess though I was told it was a vast improvement.

I had a 2012 335i Msport w/M adaptive and VSS, AT
I now have a 2016, 340i Msport w/M adaptive, no VSS, AT

The overall improvement to the suspension is positive, incremental, not at all "vast". If the initial offering of the F30 had the LCI improvements I think it would have been better received by the auto media and drivers in general.

I did not like VSS so much in my 335i, so I decided not to get it for my 340i.
It was nice in the parking lot as it required a bit less steering wheel rotation to make sharper turns, due to the ratio change.
The thing I did not like is the variable steering boost that felt odd as it would change noticeably at times during cornering.
Strange feeling, and not a good one either.

VSS was also improved for the LCI.
Since I can't compare the initial VSS to the LCI version, I can't comment on any differences or changes.

Steering feel in the LCI is only slightly better. As I noted, suspension changes are positive all around, and do help a bit with how overall handling and feel is.
8spd AT changes are very positive, again incremental and nice. The 8spd AT in my 335i was also very good. The LCI changes result is smoother shifts that are as quick and positive as before.

Brake pedal feel is also slightly better. Comparing both F30's the brake feel in my 340i is a touch more solid, and the pedal returns without the "thunk" I had in my 335i. That could of course have been an anomaly in my 335i.

Power in my 340i is also a noticeable jump. I wasn't expecting the power increase and power curve to be as positive and noticeable as it is.
The B58 breathes better at higher rpm and doesn't run out of breath as early as the N55 did in my 335i.
Added bonus is an increase in my average MPG by at least 1.5mpg, driven in the same manner on same routes.

Overall, the LCI 340i is better in all performance areas.
Still, it's an incremental difference and in no way makes the F30 335i any less of a BMW 3 series by comparison.

I'm hoping the G20 3 series will be more than just an incremental improvement. For my purchasing time frame it looks like I may go with an M240i or something else before the G20 is available.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I had a 2012 335i Msport w/M adaptive and VSS.
I now have a 2016, 340i Msport w/M adaptive, no VSS.

The overall improvement to the suspension is positive, incremental, not at all "vast". If the initial offering of the F30 had the LCI improvements I think it would been better received by the auto media and drivers in general.

I did not like VSS in my 335i, so I decided not to get it for my 340i.
VSS was also improved for the LCI, but I didn't like how it felt in my 335i.
Thus, I can't compare the initial VSS to the LCI version.

Steering feel in the LCI is only slightly better. As I noted, suspension changes are positive all around, and do help a bit with how overall handling and feel is.
8spd AT changes are very positive, again incremental and nice. The 8spd AT in my 335i was also very good. The LCI changes result is smoother shifts that are as quick and positive as before.

Brake pedal feel is also slightly better. Comparing both F30's the brake feel in my 340i is a touch more solid, and the pedal returns without the "thunk" I had in my 335i. That could of course have been an anomaly in my 335i.

Power in my 340i is also a noticeable jump. I wasn't expecting the power increase and power curve to be as positive and noticeable as it is.
The B58 breathes better at higher rpm and doesn't run out of breath as early as the N55 did in my 335i.
Added bonus is an increase in my average MPG by at least 1.5mpg, driven in the same manner on same routes.

Overall, the LCI 340i is better in all performance areas.
Still, it's an incremental difference and in no way makes the F30 335i any less of a BMW 3 series by comparison.

I'm hoping the G20 3 series will be more than just an incremental improvement. For my purchasing time frame it looks like I may go with an M240i or something else before the G20 is available.

I do like the changes to the mapping in sport+. On the 335 sport + is just like sport just with less traction control.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Those little Miatas/MX5s sure are sneaky little dingleberries.
At track days you have to hide your lunch, or keep constant eyes on it, because those little fk'ers will steal and eat it if you're not looking.

Agree, also best cars to learn with. But was talking about about the cars raw ability not individual civilian drivers at track day.

Put a pro driver in the cars & at VIR pure stock & against the 335 the Miata is 10 or so seconds a lap slower on the big track. The two long straights one up hill kill them.