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      05-05-2012, 12:20 AM   #23
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yeah the steering wheel button setup on my e90 is perfect. i dont like have the cruise control buttons on the wheel as i use cruise control probably like once or twice. they shouldve just left it on the stalk.

i also dont like the shift paddles. on my e90 i could use either side to down or up shift. now one side is upshift and the other side is downshift. i used to be able to drive predominantly one handed and still control shiftpoints and the radio. but now there is absolutely no way to do it.

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I dunno why they changed that this year. my e90 was all good
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      05-05-2012, 08:35 AM   #24
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Con: The weight and size (this is shared with the 328, but the 335 feels even bigger). engine shudder on restart.
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      05-05-2012, 08:49 AM   #25
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Con: The weight and size (this is shared with the 328, but the 335 feels even bigger). engine shudder on restart.
I actually like the E90/F30 size, just right IMO. My E46 was a bit too small. F10 is gargantuan. Interior is also a big step forward.




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      05-05-2012, 09:01 AM   #26
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Despite the more powerful engine, the fuel economy has improved by 8 mpg. The automatic-transmission model gets an astounding 36 mpg (6.5 l/100 km) on the highway and 24 (9.8 l/100 km) in the city while the manual-transmission 3er gets 34 mpg (6.9 l/100 km) and 23 mpg (10.2 l/100 km).
Didn't you get the memo that states 328's Step fuel economy is now 22/33mpg, like the 335i?

BMW 528i N20 fuel economy is also down according to BMW.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
I just took a drive from LA to temecula in my 328i (75 mile drive, pure highway, averaged 68mph). I went in pure cruise control at 70mph just to test how good the mileage could be.

After the trip, my trip monitor showed 43 mpg! That is ridiculous mpg. In a previous trip I wasn't using cruise control and averaged 38mpg. I wonder what people are getting in their 335i while doing some type of similar test.

And yes, it was difficult to resist the urges to push the car and drive it as it was meant to be driven.
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Con: The weight and size (this is shared with the 328, but the 335 feels even bigger). engine shudder on restart.
My F30 feels more agile/light and tossable than my ex 2007 E90 335i 6MT...

Talking about weight and size. Go on and try a F10 535i.

And the engine shudder on restart I don't feel/have.
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      05-05-2012, 09:06 AM   #28
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Many, particularly U.S. buyers, like cars to grow with them. Unfortunately, it detracts from the sportiness and nimbleness of each.

Many sporty cars have been destroyed in the process, such as the Nissan Z, Mazda RX-7, etc. BMW appears to be following the same path with increasing size, softer suspensions, less responsive steering, increasing emphasis on in-car entertainment, the perfect cupholder and the like.

I bought the 335 as a mid-size luxury car with non-offensive handling (with all sport options). The 328 feels a bit more nimble and, thus, the relative weight of the 335 is a con. I have a new (100 miles) 328 to play with over the weekend so I may reach further comparative conclusions, but the handling difference is immediately obvious even though functionally it is not a major distinction.
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      05-05-2012, 09:09 AM   #29
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And the engine shudder on restart I don't feel/have.
It is not any worse than initial start, but it detracts from the driving experience when it occurs mid-route.

The 328 starts more smoothly, but idles with more noise and more vibration as a result of the different engine. Thus, it is a comparative comment only.
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Many, particularly U.S. buyers, like cars to grow with them. Unfortunately, it detracts from the sportiness and nimbleness of each.

Many sporty cars have been destroyed in the process, such as the Nissan Z, Mazda RX-7, etc. BMW appears to be following the same path with increasing size, softer suspensions, less responsive steering, increasing emphasis on in-car entertainment, the perfect cupholder and the like.

I bought the 335 as a mid-size luxury car with non-offensive handling (with all sport options). The 328 feels a bit more nimble and, thus, the relative weight of the 335 is a con. I have a new (100 miles) 328 to play with over the weekend so I may reach further comparative conclusions, but the handling difference is immediately obvious even though functionally it is not a major distinction.
What kind of wheels(size) and tyres do you have?(335 and 328)

I understand your arguments, but the 5 series has really grown in weight and size(E60--->F10) , the 3 series actually not at all. Hence why I find the F30 335i the more agile car than my ex E90 335i.
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What kind of wheels(size) and tyres do you have?(335 and 328)
Excellent question. Both are 18" with P7s and thus fair to compare.

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I understand your arguments, but the 5 series has really grown in weight and size(E60--->F10) , the 3 series actually not at all.
? The F30 is 93 mm (3.7 in) longer, as well as minimally wider and taller than the E90. The wheelbase is longer by 50 mm (2.0 in). It is a bigger car. The long wheelbase adds stability, but detracts from quickness.

The 335i weighs 3571 lbs. (3594 with auto). This is not a svelte machine.
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Excellent question. Both are 18" with P7s and thus fair to compare.


? The F30 is 93 mm (3.7 in) longer, as well as minimally wider and taller than the E90. The wheelbase is longer by 50 mm (2.0 in). It is a bigger car. The long wheelbase adds stability, but detracts from quickness.

The 335i weighs 3571 lbs. (3594 with auto). This is not a svelte machine.
Agreed. But then neither was the E90 335i. The new generation RFTs plus the F30 chassis makes the F30 the better handling car compared to the E90.

BTW This is my 7th 3 series and my 9th BMW. And my old man had two E36s back in the 90s. So from the E36/46/90 to the F30 I must say the F30 is a very well handling car compared to its predecessors. But tyres can do a lot(I have 19" Potenzas now)

TBH as I read many tests I may think a 335i with the 19"staggered wheel setup is faster in handling and grip than the 18"counterpart(maybe because the 335i just needs wider rubber at the back).
I've driven a 320d EDE on 16" and my 335i is a lot more agile....So my car feels more or less like a svelte machine.Or whatever people call it. It's all about the rubber.
It's not a Caterham 500 but it neither is a F10 5 series.
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Superb points. Excellent rubber makes a tremendous difference.

Wider rear tires can make a difference, especially exiting corners, in a higher horsepower car. I have not taken the 335 to the track (and will not, I have much better machines for this) so I cannot comment on this with specificity, but I have not found it to be traction limited in aggressive street driving. (Of course, stupid car tricks enable one to easily spin the tires on most cars - this is not relevant to actual handling.)

My comments regarding handling of the F30 335 are meant to be in comparison to the F30 328. Everything otherwise equal, the 328 handles noticeably better.
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Superb points. Excellent rubber makes a tremendous difference.

Wider rear tires can make a difference, especially exiting corners, in a higher horsepower car. I have not taken the 335 to the track (and will not, I have much better machines for this) so I cannot comment on this with specificity, but I have not found it to be traction limited in aggressive street driving. (Of course, stupid car tricks enable one to easily spin the tires on most cars - this is not relevant to actual handling.)

My comments regarding handling of the F30 335 are meant to be in comparison to the F30 328. Everything otherwise equal, the 328 handles noticeably better.
Fair enough, but one can also say a 320d EDE with a 4 pot 2 litre engine in the front should handle better than a 335i with the big 6 3.0 upfront. But it didn't. Mainly because of the wheelsetup/tyres as we both know now.
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Agree on the points made by Robin.

Maybe an 'open door'; another excellent selling point of the 335i is that remarkable and stunning straight 6 sound! The moment you start that engine (goosebumps) you know your either a Bimmer fan or not. The latter group can just go for the 328i...
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      05-06-2012, 04:26 AM   #36
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Superb points. Excellent rubber makes a tremendous difference.

Wider rear tires can make a difference, especially exiting corners, in a higher horsepower car. I have not taken the 335 to the track (and will not, I have much better machines for this) so I cannot comment on this with specificity, but I have not found it to be traction limited in aggressive street driving. (Of course, stupid car tricks enable one to easily spin the tires on most cars - this is not relevant to actual handling.)

My comments regarding handling of the F30 335 are meant to be in comparison to the F30 328. Everything otherwise equal, the 328 handles noticeably better.
Fair enough, but one can also say a 320d EDE with a 4 pot 2 litre engine in the front should handle better than a 335i with the big 6 3.0 upfront. But it didn't. Mainly because of the wheelsetup/tyres as we both know now.
True, but the 4 pot diesel (N47) unit is heavier than the 4 pot petrol (N20), making the 316i, 318i, 320i and 328i the lightest of the F30 generation. That said, I couldn't comment on how much heavier the N47 is over the N20. E90Fleet?

Actually, how much does the N47, N20 and N55 weigh?

I agree its largely down to the tyres though!
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You guys just drive on the wrong side of the road
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Yep suits for here tooooo!!!!!

Well posted Fleet.

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The Toyota Camry does not have a Blind Spot Monitor standard. It's not even an option until the highest trim levels. I kind of doubt there are any Ford models that have it standard either.
In the US, Blind Spot Monitor is standard quipment on less than $25K Camry XLE. Agree with DrivenByE30 that it should be standard on a Bimmer that costs about 2x more.
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Many, particularly U.S. buyers, like cars to grow with them. Unfortunately, it detracts from the sportiness and nimbleness of each.
Perhaps the word "supersize" has become too engrained in the American vocabulary?
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All very helpful - thanks and keep the input coming.
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Remember the E21 323i ??

Well the good thing about the F30 335i is (just like the E90/E91 335i)
it's the twin exhaust...

i know i know, so many cars on the road nowadays sport twin exhaust and even Quad for the Maximas and such...

but somehow, the difference from the rest of the 3 series line up, and this little details make this 35i such a pleasure to have...

I can still remember, younger, having drooled so much at the E21 323i for it's superior engine over the rest of its line up!!

Well that's it, i got this generation's 323i = the F30 335i ;P

and the growls it makes in the morning, and while cruising in small streets...

subtle and yet...
(it's a bit less than the G35/G37, but nothing to be jealous about)
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Strongest dislike? The failure to upgrade the N55 engine so that the new F30 335i could best the B8 S4 in 0 to 60.

This leads me to think that the early F30 335i owners may be just like the early E90 330i owners back in 2005--in a year or 18 months BMW will be dropping a new engine into the 335i (or 350i) so it can reclaim its crown from the S4.
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Remember the E21 323i ??
great analogy! I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head.
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yeah the steering wheel button setup on my e90 is perfect. i dont like have the cruise control buttons on the wheel as i use cruise control probably like once or twice. they shouldve just left it on the stalk.
Mercedes has a separate stalk just for cruise which works quite well. I'm not a big fan of the buttons on the MFL because you have to look down at them which diverts your attention from the road.


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i also dont like the shift paddles. on my e90 i could use either side to down or up shift. now one side is upshift and the other side is downshift. i used to be able to drive predominantly one handed and still control shiftpoints and the radio. but now there is absolutely no way to do it.
I think this is a matter of preference. The old style drove me crazy.
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