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Lighter is always better and the F30 is lighter than the E90. The size of the car is 3 inches less than an A4 and 1.5 inches more than a C-class--not exactly big, fat or bloated. The increased size and weight of vehicles over the years is definitely due to other goals (safety, consumer expectations of options and legroom). Consumers are getting bigger (heavier) too. Not worth waiting for the good old days to come back. |
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The OP is asking BMW to build a Volkswagen. So why not just go buy the f---ing Volkswagen and stop whining about some 'performance enthusiast' myth that ceased to exist in 1997? For $50,000 he can mod one hell of a lightweight and compact VW with an engine wild enough to weave in and out of traffic and break 100 MPH between stop signs in 15 MPH school zones, the kind of selfish 'enthisiast' driving that gets the high school kids he'll be hanging with hurt. Maybe he'll text while driving too, that'll be fun. BJ |
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I'm tired of the whining in the forum. |
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Sorry but thats not what most people want. In fact thats the vast minority and BMW would lose a lot of money catering to your wishes. I want a fun, sporty, efficient, German engineered car that I can take up a twisty mountain also comfortably load my family into. The 3-series has evolved into this type of car for me, and the F30 is the first BMW I've considered owning because of it. |
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Plenty of variety for everyone I'd have thought. HighlandPete |
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Do you not get the E82, other than the 1M in limited numbers?
======== 1 Series is still currently sold as the 1M the 128i and 135i coupe and convertible variants as well as the Active E in the US with the E82 body. Supposedly when they move to the 2 Series they will introduce the F20 lineup which means the 1 Series becomes the hatch and would most likely include a sedan with the possibility also existing of a 2 Series Gran Coupe. If they do make a 1 Series sedan it would be the OPs wet dream car.
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The F30 is bigger, wider, longer, softer, more plush, feature-rich, and powered by a 4 cylinder engine. It's best selling configuration will be something called the 'Luxury' line. The 3 Series driver is an average of 47 years old, is 50% female, and 73% of them are leasing. Get the picture? BMW sells 350,000 of these cars a year to that customer, to that demographic. We don't want harsh suspensions, tiny cabins, and noisy engines because we live in upscale communities that don't look too kindly to balding middle-managers who need to get their rocks off by driving like a maniac on local streets where our children play. There are other car companies that can satisfy the desire to act like a high school boy, Honda and VW coming to mind. Are other car companies that can help with the midlife crisis like Porsche or Chevrolet. Stop with the endless whining about what the 3 Series used to be. What it is now, today, is what the 5 Series used to be. The 1M? What are you, 12? This 'performance enthusiast' myth has to stop, it really does. We're three generations removed from the E36. Time to grow up and move on. All of you. BJ |
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07-19-2012, 09:49 AM | #35 | |
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I think the 2 Series (1 Series Sedan) should be able to address the needs of 3 series enthusiasts who feel it has grown too much. I am waiting eagerly for the smaller car - let's see how it turns up.
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Harsh suspensions, tiny cabins and noisy engines...hmmmm. What you think is harsh is what most of us think is sporty, that's why you will see that most of us on this site buy BMWs with Sport Suspensions. By the way, 4 CYLs are noisier than Sixes, in case you didn't know.... Unless of course your post was sarcastic, and I missed the sarcasm |
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Guess what? I'm turning 47 next month, so I fit the mold. Please spare me the midlife crisis BS and stop suggesting that I would be speeding in school zones, driving around with high school kids while texting, or that I'm 12 because I'd like a car like the 1M. You don't know me and those insults are uncalled for. It's obvious that people like you mostly care about the image BMW represents. God forbid you drive something that's fun in your upscale neighborhood and your manager thinks you are unprofessional. Grow up, don't grow old! I lived in the Silicon Valley (Los Gatos to be exact) for 17 years, I get it! Some of us like to still race their cars ON A TRACK from time to time, and by doing so you find out that the current 3 series has gotten porky. I don't want a Corvette or a Porsche, because I do need a back seat occasionally, that is about 5% of the times, when I have one of my kids with me. For those occasions I don't need all that leg room, I just need a adequate back seat. I'm sure I'm not the only one with that need. Most of us have another car, usually and SUV that does just fine for that, or do you take your 3 series to go skiing also? |
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I think the 2 Series (1 Series Sedan) should be able to address the needs of 3 series enthusiasts who feel it has grown too much. I am waiting eagerly for the smaller car - let's see how it turns up.
======= I could see it selling well. BMW could potentially lose some 3 Series buyers to a 1 Sedan but if you're looking to make it to sell it as a niche it's most likely that you'd gain a buyer from a competitor. Mainly its a smart move to sell this car as the size dimensions of the 3 is a big deterrent to a segment of buyers and its true that those buyers moved to the A4. A 1 Series sedan should bring that consumer back to BMW, and THAT is why it would be made.
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Wow... your text is a soul shaker... i dont know why i bought the 3 series ?? for the wrong reason it would seem, or maybe my mentality hasn't caught up yet with the reality. sooner or later, i will have to readjust my point of view.. and it looks like i might have to do it now before my GF gets mad too. I am way below the average owner of the 3 series, belonging to the other 50% and purchased the car instead of leasing... I guess i am really not following the sign of the times... It's Time to change myself, and quick ! Quote:
adding that kind of lighter car to BMW's current lineup will not hurt their image.. would it ?? I understand that BMW's goal of world domination would have to include stealing customers away from Buick... but do we also have to lose customers to VW and Porsche's wanabe owners ? Quote:
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I understand you and what we are requesting of BMW... Having just purchase the F30 and experienced how it drives... I also understand the need of the demographic BMW is aiming at in developing the F30... : homeowers and family in Irvine California... I understand both point of view, but does having one car prevent from having the other ?? Can a company like BMW still produce the F30 and an 1M replacement ? or does it have to be exclusive of each other ?? am not throwing anymore oil to the pan, but Just wondering...
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