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theres a little secret with that...you can actually request that recall letter from any BMW dealer in the US and they will give it to you free of charge. You only pay the $500 if you request it from BMW Canada
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Fuel at an approx. 8l/100km x $1.00/l = $80 in fuel for 1,000km. So the depreciation cost me more than 10x the fuel. I thought about that once when I was filling up and it cost me $65 for the tank then I thought about the $650 in depreciation this tank will also cost me and it was a real bummer. But then I revved the V8 to 8,300rpm and the smile returned .
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Has anyone else found that prices in the states for used vehicles aren't much cheaper these days than in Canada? I found about $3-4k difference on average for a similarly equipped X5 and the exchange and pain-in-the-butt factor wasn't enough to make up the difference.
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I am sick of being ripped off by BMW Canada (have you looked at any parts prices lately vs. the US?). Back to shopping for slightly used cars from the US.
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The other thing people always forget with converting monetary units is that direct conversions do not work- purchasing power must be considered. The dollar still buys more than currencies that are converting as more. How much is a simple Coke or Big Mac in other markets (and that stuff is not exported from the US) it is always more because even thought the currency converts to being worth more it really is worth less.... I am not good at explaining it but if you spend ten minutes reading the Economist you'll get it. Other markets also have different tax structures and while they are part of the purchase amount they are not really the car's price. People in other markets complain about VAT and how the US is lucky to not have it- at least in some countries like Canada and Germany (etc) there is some form of health care system and infrastructure that is maintained at reasonable levels- in the US those are paid privately or in other taxes depending on the state. I live in Germany now and I am paying out about the same as I was in the US from one market to the other... fuel being the only thing that is not in line.
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The purchasing power argument makes sense.... but only when you are talking about different companies (i.e. Target vs. Walmart). This is not the case here. BMW Canada is actually a subsidiary of BMWNA. BMWNA does not adjust prices based on which states sell the most yet it does adjust the price on vehicles shipped to Canada (when really they could just treat it as another 'state')... so it's purely for additional profit. Then the dealers here double the delivery charge... fun times.
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BMW Canada has to be careful because ripping off people can lead to revolts against the product even if the product is great. I am the biggest BMW fan ever (have loved BMW since I was 2) and am actually very seriously considering other makes now which is something that I never thought I would do. And as someone else here said, I would rather BMW Canada not "add value" to the models by making standard a whole bunch of stuff I don't need or want to pay for. I would rather they just make the car available in a more basic format and allow me to build it to the price I want. |
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Your point about gas is interesting as well, considering the fact that even in the US where gas is dirty-dirty cheap, it's also heavily taxed. Imagine how inexpensive it would be w/o tax!!! We are truly spoiled here... |
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The volume is off even if you look at the gauge cluster... costs more per unit and there are other things that go along with that. It has little to do with profit. They have offices, staff- and different regulations etc. If it was like a state they would not need all that. BMW Canada INC.
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Being a Canadian we are quite use to paying way more for everything. Put it this way, if i lived in many States in the U.S., and made the same income as i do living in Vancouver B.C. Id be living in a large house, with a pool out back and a Porsche turbo in the garage. Instead i live in a 2 bedroom condo....its the price we pay for being Canadian.*
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I like the standard equipment packaged in the Canadian F30's. Huge thumbs up!
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I am looking to buy a second home in Phoenix, when I do, I will buy my next BMW in the US. I used to live in SoCal, and I found that you get much better service, prices and selection at the dealers I dealt with.
In the US the cool thing is that you can go to a dealership, and if you are looking for a specific car, you can find it on the internet, then negotiate a price via email, go and pick up the car and drive away in 30 - 40 minutes. I think that manufacturers consider dealers a necessary evil, I am sure they would not want to deal with their customers directly. I really like my BMW, but as a customer, I have felt far more appreciated by Porsche and Audi. As a BMW customer, I can't help but feel that BMW Canada, and their respective dealerships look at me as a sucker. Thing is, when I drive the car, I don't really care that much, it just does little to make me a loyal customer. My relationship with my dealer offers me little value, and the whole buy in Canada to protect resale value is not something that means that much to me. I have dealt with these guys; http://www.crossborder.net/vehicle_import_export.cfm And have imported a car before, it is a pretty painless process. As far as dealers not selling to Canadians, this is probably true over the phone, but I would bet if you show up at a dealership with cash, they would not turn you away, I would just not tell them I was taking the car out of the country. They will do an out of state purchase (no tax), in my experience, if you have $$$ in hand, policies and restrictions seem to have a way of melting away. Once you have your shiny new car, you can drive it up to Watertown, the Cross Border guys will put a dealer plate on it and take it from there. I would guess that you could save 5 - 10 K depending on the car with options buying this way. Well worth it, if not for the $$$ for the principle. B Last edited by bueller; 01-15-2012 at 12:01 AM.. |
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Canadian pricing is bullshit. Read my article to how I imported mine and saved 10k.
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To import a BMW manufactured in Germany from the US to Canada you need calculate the following:
- USD x currency exchange rate x GST (5%) x duty (6.1%) On average, the cost is damn close to Canadian price. Canada BMW also won't pay for the maintenance program. I hate Canada BMW |
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