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ATS 2.0 versus N20 dyno on IL
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As expected, BMW continues to underrate these engines. Overall, the numbers are kind of a wash between the 2, but the n20 has a much nicer looking curve for torque and peak for hp. Thoughts?
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It's hard to pass up the German engineering of a BMW.
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As the article states, in actual driving you'r not going to notice the subtle waves that the dyno will display. I am impressed with the BMW engines greater high rpm breathing capability. The tests were run on 91 octane fuel. It'll be interesting to see dyno's from 93 where available, just to see if either engine has tuning capable of utilizing the higher octane. Caddies engine may be more sensitive to octane. Caddy 2.0 1998 CC 3.39 bore and stroke 9.5 : 1 compression ratio 20psi boost Forged crank shaft Chain driven cams BMW N20 1997 CC 3.3" bore 3.5" stroke 10 : 1 compression ratio Max boost 18.9psi Forged crank shaft Chain driven cams Last edited by RPM90; 09-25-2012 at 09:22 PM.. |
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This the best run of the 328i as stock on our maha dyno:
almost exactly as claimed (as usual, most dyno are generous, and US car are low on power...) |
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I wonder why BMW is so conservative with their ratings on the turbo motors. Could it be horsepower taxes somewhere?
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Seriously would someone buy a Cadillac over a 328i?
No one in Canada even owns a Cadillac. Not sure if they even sell them here. Is it really that popular in the US? Any the styling...thats an ugly car. |
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However the ATS having a mechanical limited slip and better discounting after then initial new toy factor wears off make it interesting to me. If they don't go crazy with the ATS-V pricing, I will seriously consider one, or especially the IS-F, if there is another. I can't believe I'm saying this, as I hate Lexus/Toyota in general, but I dislike how large the 3er and ATS are and I find myself hoping the next Lexus IS remains about the size it is and has a manual option on the more powerful engine. |
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I don't think they have a place in the US but that's just my opinion. I don't really see too many around the streets except for the ctsv model. I always grew up thinking Cadillac was an old persons car
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Nice comparison. It's always nice to see comparison dynos run on the same dyno, even if they're not on the same day. It provide a lot more confidence in the comparison.
Regarding Cadillac and the ATS in the US. I think it's kind of silly how much hate gets piled on the Cadillac brand. Yes, there were several years where the product coming out of Detroit was garbage. The big three have paid the price for that blunder. If this car weren't a Cadillac, would you really call this old person styling? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....ac-ats-026.jpg I honestly think Cadillac makes some of the most modern looking cars on the road. Their angular designs with sweeping headlights and LED tails look very futuristic to my eye. They're very minimalist, which is a contemporary design technique. I mean, can you picture this with a vynil top? I can't. Would I take an ATS over an F30? I've driven both, and I can confidently say that's a "no". While Cadillac has improved significantly, I still prefer the driving character of a BMW. I won't allow myself to fall victim to a false dichotomy though. Just because one car is good does not make all the others bad. The ATS is a great car, even if it's not for me.
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Any way you look at it, its still an american made car...which I will (hope) to never own again.
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And this is why BMW underrates their engines. Their competitors come out with a car that they think has 30 more hp, but in reality it has less or an equal amount.
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Maybe they aren't very popular in your region of the country or something. Everybody and their mom has one where I live. Esp. soccer moms driving the big extended caddy truck.
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C'mon what would suburbia America and Rap stars do without Escalades? Cadillac actually sells well across the US and in China. One of GM's few profitable brands.
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