[justinnum1]

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[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by wagz0627

This may be a little off topic, but its been discussed in the thread a bit already. I'm getting a 335i Luxury Line so no Sport Auto for me. What I am curious of though, is what differences are there between using the "Sport Mode" vs using DS? It seems like both kind of do the same thing without knowing all the details. I know DS adjusts the shift timing for higher revs before upshift, and earlier downshift. It kind of sounds like Sport Mode does the same thing, although I'm guessing Sport Mode also adjusts the steering and suspension as well?

DS puts you in manual mode, so on the Luxury line it will allow you to use the shifter. i see that as the only change DS does with the Eco/Comfort/Sport settings.

[Autumn]

Why doesn't BMW make the standard transmission shift faster like the Sport Transmission?

They don't have to put in the aggressive transmission program but I don't see any downside to simply shifting faster?

Is the regular transmission a dumbed-down version then?

[ScarecrowBoat]

Has anybody tried successfully coding for 2TB? I believe the transmissions are actually the same, so it might just be a matter of adding it on the VO...

[rallybull]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

DS puts you in manual mode, so on the Luxury line it will allow you to use the shifter. i see that as the only change DS does with the Eco/Comfort/Sport settings.

DS actually also modifies the shift points just like sports mode does and disables over drive too. It however does not stiffen up the steering wheel.

[N-Y]

Originally Posted by ScarecrowBoat

Has anybody tried successfully coding for 2TB? I believe the transmissions are actually the same, so it might just be a matter of adding it on the VO...

would love to know if its possible... I wouldn't mind getting the nicer looking stick and using its advantages of shifting faster.

[jeffd0901]

I actually drove both types (both on Sport Line 328's) before I even knew there was a difference. In my opinion the two respond noticeably different and the Sport Auto is a blast to drive hard.

[DarkTrigger]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol, the only benefit i see from the paddles is you can keep your hands on the wheel. But i am not a fan of the new paddles. I dont like when the left is down and the right is up AND they are connected to the wheel instead of the column. Can be hard cahgning gears in a turn...one of the reasons i prefer the old style where each paddle served both functions

I must admit it does take some getting used to, since in my z4 SMG I had to shift it every single damn time cuz it was so rough in auto mode. However, I do like it.

[raleedy]

Seems like there are three ways to change the AT shift points/shifting speed: DS, sport mode and sport AT. Are they different from one another? I have my doubts.

[335smooth]

For those that are regretting not odering the sports auto option, perhaps use that money to get the M performance PPK. In this manner, you get the performance oriented software as well as additional HP. In my opinion, the paddle shifters are just a gimmick. On my previous e90 335i sports, I only used them a handful of times. In fact, i was just happy enough to switch it to DS mode.

[JOE YOUNG]

Originally Posted by wai2sexy

Anybody get the chance to drive both the regular auto (aka no paddle shifters) and the sport auto (2tb option)? Bmw literature simply indicates that the 2tb option offers faster shifting. However, bmw doesn't indicate separate 0-60 times for both options. has anybody gotten a chance to test drive them back to back?

from the various posts from forum members, everybody seems to universally love the 8speed and some have indicated that paddle shifters are completely unnecessary since the 8sp does such a great job left on it's own. i plan on doing a test drive this weekend but i thought i'd pose the question since i haven't seen any information regarding a direct comparison between the two.

Faster shifting doesnt necessarily mean that the transmission will shift faster. Maybe faster shifting by using the paddles and not to reach for the stick to push/pull it.

I just sold my F30 sport with sports tranny and replace it with a used F30 m sport with standard auto (same engine). I don't think there is any difference the way it behaves. The only difference I notice is that the standard auto on M/S mode will upshift when it reaches a certain rpm while the sports stayed where I put it.

Well in way sports makes it feel much faster as you just have to flick the paddle if you want to downshift when overtaking. Where as in the standard auto you to have to slide it into M/S before you can downshift which could take up to 1-2 seconds more.

Here in the UK it is only about £140 difference between the 2. Which suggest it is just cosmetic, shifter + paddles cost (2tb code).

[AHB900]

Im not sure if the diesel has the same transmission as the 335I. I had a loaner diesel without sport auto and it was a night and day difference from my sport auto 335. The thing did not shift fast at all. Lots of lag from the transmission, again im not sure if its the same transmission or not.

[ipp]

Originally Posted by AHB900

Im not sure if the diesel has the same transmission as the 335I. I had a loaner diesel without sport auto and it was a night and day difference from my sport auto 335. The thing did not shift fast at all. Lots of lag from the transmission, again im not sure if its the same transmission or not.

It's the same hardware. I've checked the parts numbers. I guess they are differently programmed or something.

[ipp]

If I remember correctly 320d/328i/335i had the same. The 330d & and 335d had one that can handle more torque. Talking automatics now.

[carzaddict]

the sports transmission can be coded........i have successfully coded it

have i noticed a difference? Yes.....a big one? no

the ZF8 is a fast shifter to begin with.....the 2TB makes it sliiiightly quicker and slightly more aggressive....however you'll only really notice it in the first 3-4 gears if you're over 4-5k RPM.

worth it for $500? well aesthetically maybe...the shifter and paddles are nice to look at....but for the most part not really...you can program it for cheaper

[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol, the only benefit i see from the paddles is you can keep your hands on the wheel. But i am not a fan of the new paddles. I dont like when the left is down and the right is up AND they are connected to the wheel instead of the column. Can be hard cahgning gears in a turn...one of the reasons i prefer the old style where each paddle served both functions

That's when having both comes in handy. I use the paddles quite often and I sometimes find that when I'm in a turn that requires me to move my hand, I'm better off throwing the gear using the stick until I get back into paddle territory.

[Ian138]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

when you stomp on the gas peddle it will automatically downshift for more power, this does not happen in sport manual mode, the driver has complete control like driving a manual transmission.

kickdown is awesome and instant. Far better than having to manually change down when you can be bothered. Having driven 8SAT and 6MT cars, I would go for the auto everytime

[vagmag]

I have a bought a used 320d F31 and has the 205 normal auto box.
If I code the car to 2tb or if add the SAT gear lever and code it will my car have the behavior described above as the original equipped 2tb cars?

thank you

Originally Posted by E30M3Driver

With 2TB you get for sure:

- Paddle Shifters
- Sport+ mode (you can mimic this in the regular auto by selecting sport mode and manually selecting DTC to on)
- No automatic upshift in manual mode when DSC is off, DTC on, or sport+ selected
- Automatic kickdown is deactivated when DSC is off, DTC is on, or sport+ is selected

.

[Chris@codemybimmer]

youre basically paying 500$ for aesthetics

sport transmission can be coded to a non 2TB car

[justinnum1]

A lot of people don't want to code a brand new car. Then you have to recode after dealer updates software, right?

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

A lot of people don't want to code a brand new car. Then you have to recode after dealer updates software, right?

Good question. I was talking to the Genius at BMW dealer. I was asking why my mirrors dont flip in when you hit the lock button. He said its because they aren't coded. Mercedes owns the patent for it and they didn't want to get in a battle with MBUSA over it...so he said I'd have to find someone to code that feature in. The brochure says they do..but it's wrong. So..yeah..if I get it coded...what happens after a dealer flash if ever necessary? hmmmmmm

[floppyedonkey]

For those saying BMW is charging too much ($500) for a sport transmission... BMW isn't the brand for you. That is a VERY reasonable price, maybe other brands offer more bang for a $500 option but quality wins here.

Physical Option:
-Paddles
-Software remap
-Different gear changer

Rewards:
-Sportier response
-resell value/interest