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      01-14-2014, 12:33 PM   #1
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Do you plan to switch to m3/m4 from f30

Do you guys plan to switch? I like it but is the extra 10k really worth it? If it was 5k i would go place the order. Yes its faster than the f30 but there are faster cars at that price. I also dont think that my current f30 is luxary as everyone makes it out to seem here on the forum
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      01-14-2014, 12:39 PM   #2
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IMHO, the switch to an I6 twin turbo, basically the same platform as the 335, instead of the previous V8 is puzzling. Prior Ms had the V8 exclusively in the 3 series. The I6 just doesn't provide the same cache. No doubt, everything about the 425hp I6 is superior to the old V8. Still....
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Good question... my original plan was to keep the F30 for the long haul, but I am feeling the pull from the M3. I am leaning toward making the switch, but not for at least a few more years. (Which leaves plenty of time to revisit the plan based on how good the new M3 turns out to be).
In the mean time, however, the likelihood of the switch definitely impacts the modding strategy for the F30; I will still upgrade a couple of hot spots to make the car more fun on the track for the next few years, but nothing too crazy/expensive.
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I was speaking to my sales guy when i was at the dealership last time and he said most of the m drivers get the m3 for the name he said thats is an over priced 3 series not worth the extra 10 k over non m car
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I was speaking to my sales guy when i was at the dealership last time and he said most of the m drivers get the m3 for the name he said thats is an over priced 3 series not worth the extra 10 k over non m car
I think that largely depends on how you intend to use it. For a daily driver, that's hard to argue with. If you like track days, then the 335 needs some work to get to a point where it's at a similar level of competency as a bone stock M3.
Depending on what path you take for mods, the cost can end up far exceeding the price difference between the two cars.
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I'm definitely thinking about it.

There are some things about the F80 M3 (extra cooling, room for more tire, LSD, DCT, wider body) that are really appealing to me and are very $$$ to replicate on the 335
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There are some things about the F80 M3 (extra cooling, room for more tire, LSD, DCT, wider body) that are really appealing to me and are very $$$ to replicate on the 335
Good list...
Extra cooling hasn't been an issue for me (yet?), but I haven't had the car on the track in the summer yet...
LSD is a big priority for me, but I'll more than likely install one on my 335 while I have it.
DCT would be nice, but the 8SAT is really good, so I'm not missing DCT too much at the moment.
Probably the biggest pull for me to the M3 is the suspension. It remains to be seen though how much the 335 can be upgraded with M3 suspension parts (without investing a fortune) to yield similar handling.

In terms of power and speed, my 335 is plenty fast... and throttle response and turbo lag are OK (and can probably be better still with a few more tweaks). But the M3 will more than likely be an appreciable step up in these areas.
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IMHO, the switch to an I6 twin turbo, basically the same platform as the 335, instead of the previous V8 is puzzling. Prior Ms had the V8 exclusively in the 3 series. The I6 just doesn't provide the same cache. No doubt, everything about the 425hp I6 is superior to the old V8. Still....
There's only ever been one M3 with a V-8 Power source. Cylinders does not a car make. If it's simply about power and cylinders, I'd say go get an SL63 AMG.

BMW has always been a champion of the inline 6, and its so much more than just raw horsepower and torque figures. If you are looking to buy a car based purely on these numbers, you probably wouldn't get an F80/F82 but veteran BMW drivers know better than this.

Its a similar argument to Upgrading to the F10 M5 from the F10 550i. You are essentially getting the same engine... but you aren't. And you are getting so much more.
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I'm going to wait at least 2-3 more years before I even think about it. I'm honestly still having fun with my 335.... Then I'll consider M3, M5, and X5M.
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      01-14-2014, 01:16 PM   #10
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It's more than $10k if similarly optioned, probably closer to $15k I'd presume (we don't know pricing yet). It'll probably perform similar to a FBO N55 in a straight line (besting it if it's rocking the DCT most likely), but like has been said, it's not about raw power. The car is a far superior track machine with upgraded cooling, not to mention all the carbon fiber bits that make it much lighter (as it should be).

Looking at the interior shots, it looks to be more luxurious than the F30 too. All this combined, assuming one can be had for 'only' $10-15k more than a 335, makes me think that perhaps the F80 is a better deal than the 335. 20% price increase for more than 20% overall performance while having similar or better luxury feel and a decent mpg. It'll make for a great DD and great track car.

All that said, BMWs aren't known for their bang for your buck value and this isn't one. If you're into performance the C7 vette is better, and omg the new Z06 (which if it comes in under six figures is a bargain - relatively speaking).

Lots of new cars coming out in the near future. Good for those in the market for a new ride in the next couple years.
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I'm definately going to look into trading my 335 this summer for it. We have 2 of them on order and can't wait for them to come in and get behind of the wheel.
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It will definitely be more than 10k for 2 equally optioned cars. IMO F30 328/335 is already way too expensive for what it offers, so I don't think the new M3/M4 will be worth its money either.

It will be a totally different driving experience in comparison to a 335 for sure though.
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It will definitely be more than 10k for 2 equally optioned cars. IMO F30 328/335 is already way too expensive for what it offers, so I don't think the new M3/M4 will be worth its money either.

It will be a totally different driving experience in comparison to a 335 for sure though.
We've just learned the base pricing for the 2015 M3 (F80) and M4 (F82)!

2015 M3: $61,550
2015 M4: $63,750

These prices do not include the $925 destination/handling currently (always subject to change).

So expect it to hit $70k with 'normal' options. Probably closer to $20k over a similarly equipped 335 than $10k.
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I think that largely depends on how you intend to use it. For a daily driver, that's hard to argue with. If you like track days, then the 335 needs some work to get to a point where it's at a similar level of competency as a bone stock M3.
Depending on what path you take for mods, the cost can end up far exceeding the price difference between the two cars.
I think it's kind of crazy to think the M3 is just a suped up 335 N55. Aside from the obvious jump in power:

-Active rear differential (a lot more than "just" an LSD);
-Carbon fiber all over the place, weight on par with e46 m3;
-Suspension and brakes that will be at home on the track, would probably require 2-3k for a comparable suspension upgrade and 3k for brake upgrade (not sure about "M brake upgrade for 500", maybe that cuts it);
-DCT or rev matching 6 speed, should have lighter dual mass flywheel, carbon fiber drive shaft;
-Body lines aren't comparable, the M is much more aggressive;
-Wheels etc, should be monoblock forged 19's good for 5lbs off each corner is my guess.
-Possibly some kind of valved exhaust;
-Higher revving engine;

This doesn't factor in factory tuned and calibrated (not to mention warranty), vs aftermarket which can be all over the place in terms of how well it synergizes. IMO completely worth the extra 15k sticker price. It might be possible to see a 335i tuned with 3k worth of goodies run with the M at the strip, but no way at the track, especially after repeated lapping.
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I was speaking to my sales guy when i was at the dealership last time and he said most of the m drivers get the m3 for the name he said thats is an over priced 3 series not worth the extra 10 k over non m car
My 335 had a $55,700 MSRP so at $61k base + D&D it would only be a $5k delta. NOW, if I optioned it out to compare apples to apples, I'm sure I could hit $10k easily
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Good list...
Extra cooling hasn't been an issue for me (yet?), but I haven't had the car on the track in the summer yet...
LSD is a big priority for me, but I'll more than likely install one on my 335 while I have it.
DCT would be nice, but the 8SAT is really good, so I'm not missing DCT too much at the moment.
Probably the biggest pull for me to the M3 is the suspension. It remains to be seen though how much the 335 can be upgraded with M3 suspension parts (without investing a fortune) to yield similar handling.

In terms of power and speed, my 335 is plenty fast... and throttle response and turbo lag are OK (and can probably be better still with a few more tweaks). But the M3 will more than likely be an appreciable step up in these areas.
What about doing the M-Performance suspension?
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IMHO, the switch to an I6 twin turbo, basically the same platform as the 335, instead of the previous V8 is puzzling. Prior Ms had the V8 exclusively in the 3 series. The I6 just doesn't provide the same cache. No doubt, everything about the 425hp I6 is superior to the old V8. Still....
That is a ridiculous point of view considering the E36 and E46 M3s both had naturally aspirated I6s, just like their non-M counterparts, and the E30 M3 had a 4-cylinder compared to the non-M I6 325i! It's about all around performance, not cylinder count. I'm glad BMW is getting back to that formula.
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i think the m4 prices are probably going to be the same as the current m3 coupe in starting price. never thought about trading in my 335i yet. maybe in 7 years time after my extended warranty expires
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