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Out of 15,000 miles a year, 13,000-14,000 are driven on a weekend for fun. Oh, yes, then there's the Boss who doesn't want 3 cars in a two-car garage household. Don't forget that. Properly optioned 3 series is not a bad choice in those cases. And in those cases I would always chose MT.
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10-29-2012, 09:48 PM | #24 |
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I admit I was actually impressed with the Sport AT on a test drive, enough so the I went back and tested it again before ordering.
Glad I did the extra test drive, but the 6M is the way to go for me. If I want an AT, I can always drive the wife's
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I recently had to choose which to get, and as a driver of a MT for the entirety of my adulthood, I've always felt that a pedal is missing when driving an AT. I experienced this yesterday when driving a rental Ford Explorer. You can argue that I'm resisting change to technology since the BMW AT has outperformed the MT, but there's just something, almost melodic, about putting it through the gears. Forget sex appeal, MANual and all that BS. I made the right choice, and that M-Sport shift knob will feel great in the palm of my hand.
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I don't like how the shifter and clutch is so light. It feels power assisted like in the 5 series 6mt. Also I don't like how the f30 clutch bite point is so high up. Maybe I'm used to my e36 m3. I like the firmer clutch feel, center engagement point and how when u put the shifter into the gate, u feel a nice firm snap or thud. The f30 feels a bit numb to me. For the first time I thought the auto 8 was better suited for this car and would rather order that.
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Personal preference. Manuals can be fun, can be annoying in traffic, and these days causes a loss in performance AND fuel economy (used to be the opposite for both). As a friend once said to me, "I shifted in high shool..". So maybe it depends how young you really are...
I kid, but I would say it depends on how much time you spend wandering around trying to make a damn left turn in NJ. |
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I only had MT's in my BMW's /former cars for the last 24 years, except for the same sport 8AT(same as in the F30 range) in my ex F10 535i. Great, fast , comfy.
One downside for me which appeared also in the 320dA F30 I drove last week. 320dA normal driving : When accellerating out of let's say a miniroundabout in 3rd @15mph or so, you have to be careful how much you push the throttle because it immediately responds in shifting back to FIRST which is a way too low gear to begin with in that situation and it shifts to SECOND after that. The whole action feels very awkward and strange. I know with the shiftpaddles and in a different mode i'ts different but we're talking normal driving here. The F10 did the same. Also from standstill @ a crossing/trafficlights etc (in the wet even more so) it sometimes can be strange pushing the accellerator: the box first hesitates to start from zero mph and then goes the whole FIRST gear and you wished to go to second rightaway. I'm talking about normal driving in normal /heavy traffic. On a trackday I would want it like this off cource, without the hesitation from zero mph. Maybe a difficult explanation but it was my main reason to switch back to manual. Maybe the MT car isn't as fast. It sure is 100% way more CONTROLLABLE... Cheers Robin |
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I would think the performance difference is negligible, in real world driving. Plus manuals probably feel faster just because of that extra connection. There are definitely times I miss manuals, but I drive too much in traffic to be worth it anymore.
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Went from MT to AT first time ever. Was already convinced by its comfort/performance ratio. Besides that, commuting from-and-to (70 miles one way) is sometimes (luckyly mostly not) getting a real headache (traffic). Driving manually for around 2 hours in traffic-jam is not a joke (RHD => clutch-legg & MT-arm) Driving in the AT now is a luxury feeling + fuel consumption always optimized.
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Because it feels faster, because you need to work hard to shift it fast. Heel and toe is satisfying, you can kick the clutch (with or without gas) to get the car sideways, you can use the handbrake the initiate oversteer. And no, we don't think it's cool, because everyone here drives a MT car. |
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It depends... i think that it would be a crime to order a car like this in AT but that is just me.
If you are lazy, go with the AT, if you really want to feel control of the car and do not mind the shifting of gears, definitely go with the MT! I have the MT and i live in Atlanta where traffic sucks! I drive most of the day for work and i really do not mind the MT even when stuck in traffic...
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I refuse to buy and drive any car that my mother or grandmother could drive. MT for me.
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An 8-Speed AT is my wet dream come true. At last I can relax the whole left side* of my body after all those years driving MT cars. Growing up is hard to do but ever such fun once you get there and reap all the benefits.
* We have RHD cars in the UK.
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New but relative question. Wasn't sure it deserved its own thread because it probably been talked about before but anyways Launching a manual vs auto Can you get the same performance out of both
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Im sure you can launch the MT just as good but your going to kill the clutch, You'd have to slip it hard and fast and it will probably pull some 1.8 60' times.. I dont measure my cars 0-60 i take them to the track either 1/4 mile or 1/8th, But this is not a drag car and you will not feel .3-.5 seconds. I had over 500whp on my gti and all depending on my launch and shifting gears it was a 1.5 sec difference, bad launch vs good, good shift vs bad etc.
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