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S models compete with the 340i and 440i. The RS models compete with the M models. M Sport is just aesthetic body kits and add ons. M Performance has actual performance gains a la the MPPSK.
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Keep this in mind: The M340i is the G30 equivalent of a F30 340i M Sport. Quote:
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In summary: The upcoming M340i is the equivalent of a current 340i M Sport only they have discontinued the 340i base. Power gains are coming as a result of a new model, but not as a result of the"M" badge. A G30 non-M 340i will not be available. The G30 M340i will likely be available optioned with the MPPSK kit just like the current F30 340i. In essence, the M340i is purely marketing and name designation. If they had made a G30 340i with an M Sport appearance package it will look and perform exactly like the M340i. Does that make sense? The top of the line G30 would be just as competitive with the S4 had they named it a 340i or a M340i. The current M550i reflects this change in name designation. Notice there is no such thing as a 550i anymore.
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x-drive will never match quattro in performance. especially if the S4 had the LSD, it's hard to beat. our cars aren't designed with the same driver focus that the S4 is, even though it's pretty much a direct competitor.
Instead of jumping straight to a tune, I'd do some lowering suspension and tires and see how the car feels. I bet that'll get a lot of the handling you're looking for. Sport mode pretty much solves the laggy throttle feeling. |
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My impression of the s4 is that it is more performance focused. You might not think so because of how it handles, but many others do. It comes standard with performance oriented options that the 335/340 didn't. A base s4 is more performance oriented than a base 335i, at least in the way that Audi interprets performance. We all understand that it's a different approach from bmw. With the g20 generation this won't be so. The m340i will come standard with: M-Sport brakes, M diff, variable sport steering, 704 msport suspension (xDrive or not) with adaptive suspension optional, M steering wheel, M exterior, rear spoiler, 19" wheels. These are not all cosmetic trim pieces. Many are performance oriented. In other words, if you decide you want a 3er with the B58 engine, you'll have to get the m340i with its performance focus. In that way, it does parallel the s4 because it's optioned with more performance in mind, not luxury, tech etc. sure you can still spec it to be loaded with tech and luxury, but the base car will have performance parts that needed to be optioned separately or in packages with the f30. If the "m" in m340i is causing misunderstandings in this discussion please just pretend it's not there. I've never before witnessed a single letter cause so much confusion and passionate discussions as the letter M in regard to how it's used by bmw. Who cares. All I'm saying in a nutshell is that the new g20 340i will come standard with what are considered more performance oriented parts that had to be specified on an f30 build. In my mind this is more similar to the s4, which comes standard with what Audi considers more performance parts than an a4, or a current f30 330 or 340i. I realize that the f30 can be optioned that way, but it's not standard. One who didn't do their research could accidentally buy a less sporty 340i if not optioned correctly. |
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Even the 340i stock (w/B58) can run with the S4.. with a tune.. forget it As far as the G 340.. yes this is correct.. the G 340 will have essentially mandatory performance options baked in (mppsk, steering, etc).. current 340 owners have no need to be envious |
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Similar things happen to everyone unfortunately, and people handle them differently.
E.g. one of coworkers just deals with similar scenario by buying both. This is no such option for me though, and my resolution is to just enjoy the ride. |
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I'm not refuting that. Every generation sees performance gains. The M340i would have had the same gains had it been called the 340i M Sport or the M340i.
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We are on the same page then in understanding that the non-M Sport 340i will no longer exist. The M340i is basically the 340i M Sport with a different name. No, it will NOT come with the MPPSK, but it will be more powerful than the outgoing 340i simply because it is expected to with the introduction of a new model. I think where we disagree is that the S4 is more performance oriented than the current 340i. To me, at least, how it handles is more important than straight line speed. The current S4 doesn't even come with a manual!
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I know you're talking about 2015's, but I have a 2016 340i and wifey just got a 2018 S4 and I can tell you that IMO, the S4 feels smoother, maybe is the nice pirelli tires. Other than that, I feel they're both smooth in terms of power. IMO you can't really go wrong with either. We passed on the C43 AMG. Didn't wanted to wait for the 2019 C43.
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So yes, the g20 340i will come standard with a sportier build than the S4 as its currently offered. All this to say I was generally agreeing with your post anyway. The current s4/5 competes with the 340i/440i, not the m3/4. Whether the s4 is sportier to drive or not is up to individual preference. |
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Audi quotes S4's additional 24 HP and yet 0-60 times are comparable with many on the street saying S4 cannot even keep up in a straight line so I do not know how it will keep up through the turns. BMW > Audi.
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I've had some experience with the 335 and the b8.5 s4. The S4 is the better performance car. DCT gearbox is faster than the ZF8. The car has locking diffs.
both cars can make serious power. plenty of bolt on s4's in the low 11s in the end its really personal preference. i've been die hard bmw for a long time and i think the f30 m sport looks better. plus I can actually slide the car a bit.
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An S4 will walk a 335/340 x-drive around a track.
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More tire, More power, Faster transmission, Dual wishbone front suspension, LSD (optional), similar weight
S4's only negative is it's nose heavy, so you'll need to drive it like a fwd car in many situations. But the grip and dynamics are there if you know how to use it. |
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