[shivaswrath]

I'll have to say the 335i had given me a TON of headaches early on (here comes a Jinx), but after the first year pains, I haven't been back into the shop for almost 6 months - and the last few visits were for the PPK and other goodies.

Next visit will be dedicated to the LSD....it honestly depends on the dealer. My dealer is top ten in the US for BMW, and has proven it as such...

I'd take a Cayman S any day though...

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Gastoys

Matt Farah from Smoking Tires preferred the 1 series M over the Cayman, but the S is probably a different story. Porsche makes incredible machines, but the cost to own and maintain far exceed the 335i (4 years/50k) free maintenance.

Sounds like the 1M is one of the most fun cars to drive.
.....the cost to own and maintain a 335 far exceeds that of owning a Hyundai Genisis coupe.........whats your point?

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

The current iteration(s) are light years better than the original(s). You should go drive one...at a different dealer.

Sorry, but I have zero interest in anything made by Porsche. Nice cars, but not my cup of tea anymore.

[ofcounsel]

I had an 07' Boxster that I used as my daily driver for 4 years, right up until I had to start taking my son to school. It was the most reliable car I've had and can't wait till my son's out of the child booster seat so I can get another!

[Carnut12]

Originally Posted by drob23

Good source, although must consider that
1) Those are 3 year marks (which should be a pretty good measure, but not the best) based on TGW reports (i.e. dealer trips);
2) People don't put miles on Porsche's, they are generally and IMO should be: garage queens. You can see this effect with the Lincolns, which in 2010 were literally just re-badged Fords (has somewhat changed with MKZ and MKC).

The list is also very volatile, look at the most recent one where Porsche does worse...


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/...st-021214.html

JD Power Stats are very misleading, when you dig in if someone complains they do not know how to use the Navigation that dings them and that has nothing to do with Dependability.

[Carnut12]

OP I own a 2010 911 and have owned several P-Cars, you will not be disappointed with a Cayman S, personally I would go with the Boxster S (I still do not know why people pay more for a hardtop), but that is personal choice. If you can get over how much Porsche Charges for Options the rest is all up hill. They are outstanding cars with little or no known issues, the fit/finish is Outstanding, as is the reliability.

Be prepared to get hooked when entering the P-Car world, this will more than likely be one of many you will own.

GO check out Planet 9 forums, a lot of Boxster/Cayman action over there.

[Carnut12]

Originally Posted by roundel335

I drove a succession of Porsches in the 1990s, culminating with the then-new Boxster (the Cayman is a coupe version of that car with the same interior dimensions). I wish I hadn't bought it, as it was expensive and uncomfortable. It didn't have enough leg room for me and I finally got tired of the dealer's attitude that I should be grateful they sold me a car. It was the first year for the 986 and there were numerous problems, including an engine problem that required disassembling the engine and replacing all the gaskets. I asked for a new engine or a new car (it was just over a year old at the time) and they chose the cheap route, taking weeks to fix it and then bending the convertible top cover in the process. They "repaired" it, but the paint didn't match well. All in all, I was disillusioned and disappointed, and finally was able to get rid of the car and buy my first BMW back in 2001. I'm absolutely not interested in owning any Porsche product, even if I could afford one.

That said, tagging a Cayman or a 911 as a "luxury" car is ridiculous. They're pure sports cars, and I'm sure they're better than my first-year Boxster. If you want to do apples-to-apples with Porsche and BMW, their ugly Panamera and either an M5 or M6 Gran Coupe would be a better comparison.

You need to take a visit to your local P-Car dealer, the new 991 has all the Luxury of the Panamera, just has smaller back seats and no trunk. It may be more Sport than Luxury, but it is still Luxury.

[YellowMellow]

I've owned several BMW and Porsches. Currently '11 M3 E93, '11 328XiT and '11 C4S (past includes 330, 335, E46 M3, 997TT, Boxster, 997 Targa 4S). We also have a '10 R8

I have to say, both manufacturers have been uber reliable and maintenance free. However the R8 has had more service appointments - mostly electrical and to my amazement, fit and finish.

The new 991 is both sports and luxury combined into one. It's an amazing ride, performance is stellar and has all the luxury you'll ever need as daily driver or long distance trips. My '11 C4S is great as a daily or long distance as well - it has PDK, adjustable dampers for either normal or track use, heated/vented seats, nav, bluetooth, AWD, etc.

[owerr]

errr not sure what we are trying to compare here. An optioned cayman s can easily be 80k+, when you max out about 60k or less for a 335i. Of course its gonna be a better car.... Seems like it should be compared with a m3 or something in that range.

[Carnut12]

Originally Posted by owerr

errr not sure what we are trying to compare here. An optioned cayman s can easily be 80k+, when you max out about 60k or less for a 335i. Of course its gonna be a better car.... Seems like it should be compared with a m3 or something in that range.

It's not always about price for everyone. The OP didn't ask which is better for the price, I don't recall price even being part of the post at all.

[langlord]

I am very sadly moving in the opposite direction having owned a 981 boxster running on 20's for the past year purly as we need a bigger car.

If I could keep the boxster I would it's been our daily driver (15,000 miles) and it's been faultless. The ride is firm but I personally think it's a dam sight better than the rest of the German makes as Porsches suspension in my mind is vastly superior it obviously helps being a lot lighter.

If you can afford it go for the new GTS as there are a lot of options thrown in or alternatively look for a well spec'd demo car that's coming in as the dealers will be keen to do a deal.

With out question as soon as I can justify having a second car porsche will be getting my money for sure.

[YellowMellow]

Originally Posted by langlord

I am very sadly moving in the opposite direction having owned a 981 boxster running on 20's for the past year purly as we need a bigger car.

If I could keep the boxster I would it's been our daily driver (15,000 miles) and it's been faultless. The ride is firm but I personally think it's a dam sight better than the rest of the German makes as Porsches suspension in my mind is vastly superior it obviously helps being a lot lighter.

If you can afford it go for the new GTS as there are a lot of options thrown in or alternatively look for a well spec'd demo car that's coming in as the dealers will be keen to do a deal.

With out question as soon as I can justify having a second car porsche will be getting my money for sure.

+1.

Have you thought about a used 911 (997.1 or 997.2)? It has usable back seats.
I have '11 C4S as my DD and its the best of both worlds - great performance/handling but surprisingly practical. Additionally its AWD setup allows for year around use.

[langlord]

Yellow mellow yes we looked long and hard but it comes down to practicalities of more boot space etc for the impending little one and the wife was it keen on the panamera.

If anything the boxster probably has better space than the 911.

All round I think porsche has just upped their game on all the cars, as any one who thinks they are just stripped out drivers cars need to properly look at the latest generation.

[langlord]

Plus I think they are the best looking cars on the road as well.

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[YellowMellow]

Originally Posted by langlord

Yellow mellow yes we looked long and hard but it comes down to practicalities of more boot space etc for the impending little one and the wife was it keen on the panamera.

If anything the boxster probably has better space than the 911.

All round I think porsche has just upped their game on all the cars, as any one who thinks they are just stripped out drivers cars need to properly look at the latest generation.

I think you meant to say that your wife isn't keen on the Panamera? I don't blame her, I think there are better options than the Panamera If I was shopping for a Panamera, I would seriously look at the new Macan or a Cayenne GTS.

Interestingly, why do you say that the Boxster has better space than the 911?
I've had both. The Boxster is a 2 seater with no real interior practical storage areas. It does have the front storage compartments. The 911 coupe has front storage, 2 rear seats plus the shelf behind the rear seats.

I had a Targa 4S which makes the the rear storage areas more easily accessible - otherwise the C4S and Targa 4S are the same. Attached is my Targa and the other pic (w/black interior) is the C4S.

I agree, the new Boxster/Cayman are great looking - especially the GTS variants

[owerr]

Originally Posted by Carnut12

It's not always about price for everyone. The OP didn't ask which is better for the price, I don't recall price even being part of the post at all.

I'm just saying... Its like asking "hey guys, which is better - a gallardo or an aventador???"

Practicality aside, clearly porsche is the better car here. The question should more be like, for my next upgrade from the f30, should i get a M3 (or whatever other car in the 80k range) or a Cayman S

[Carnut12]

Originally Posted by owerr

I'm just saying... Its like asking "hey guys, which is better - a gallardo or an aventador???"

Practicality aside, clearly porsche is the better car here. The question should more be like, for my next upgrade from the f30, should i get a M3 (or whatever other car in the 80k range) or a Cayman S

True

4 doors in the $80K range equals S6 all day long as far as I am concerned, smokes everything in the price range.

[34.50]

Originally Posted by Carnut12

True

4 doors in the $80K range equals S6 all day long as far as I am concerned, smokes everything in the price range.

Not so fast, there are always the 550 engines from MB, which are great! Not to mention BMW's 550i/650i are also good options

[dL.]

At least the PDK works better than most other transmissions out there lol...

dL

[TractionControlOff]

This type of discussion will get very serious when Porsche builds the Pajun (small version of the Panamera w/o the ugly rear). I fear I may defect...

[YellowMellow]

We may add a Mecan Turbo sometime in the Fall timeframe.
As I understand it from our local Porsche dealer, the drive/dynamics is closer to a 911 then either the Cayenne or Panamera

[Carnut12]

Originally Posted by YellowMellow

We may add a Mecan Turbo sometime in the Fall timeframe.
As I understand it from our local Porsche dealer, the drive/dynamics is closer to a 911 then either the Cayenne or Panamera

The Macan is going to be a hell of a Car/SUV, just look at the SQ5, I was tempted to get one of those over the 335i. It blows the X3 as well as everything else in its price range away IMO. You could say the SRT Jeep beats it, thats another $10K, but also a bargain for what you get.