[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

relatively, yes and no.

of course my statement is contingent upon when someone signs (MF and resid of course play huge parts). may moving parts here, im simply saying thats just a ridiculous amount of money for a her. way too much imo

It really depends on the car you get - and obviously 15k on a lease automatically bumps that amount up due to the residual drop.

How much money you spend is up to your budget and how many option boxes you check. A fully loaded car starts to add up quickly.

[metrathon]

This thread got out of the control quickly

What I was trying to say is: everything else being equal (errors in the BMW online calculator, money factor, down payment, mileage, etc) the more expensive 435i has a lower lease rate than the cheaper 335i. Why? That was all. I wasn't discussing if the deal is good or bad, or what mileage, etc.

I think the answer was in the residuals. The coupe will hold its value better than the sedan. That's it.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by metrathon

This thread got out of the control quickly

What I was trying to say is: everything else being equal (errors in the BMW online calculator, money factor, down payment, mileage, etc) the more expensive 435i has a lower lease rate than the cheaper 335i. Why? That was all. I wasn't discussing if the deal is good or bad, or what mileage, etc.

I think the answer was in the residuals. The coupe will hold its value better than the sedan. That's it.

Welcome to the internet.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by btbossman

I pay 658 for a loaded 335 and 15k miles/year for 36mos, why is that a bad deal?

I pay a hair more than you do and when i say hair i mean the cost of a happy meal and maybe a sundae from mcdonalds more. But i'm in a 2013 535 msport... The car you are driving would've run me under $600 a month, nothing out of pocket. (well, minus tax, registration etc)

[btbossman]

Originally Posted by shoei

I pay a hair more than you do and when i say hair i mean the cost of a happy meal and maybe a sundae from mcdonalds more. But i'm in a 2013 535 msport... The car you are driving would've run me under $600 a month, nothing out of pocket. (well, minus tax, registration etc)

Well see thats the difference...I put literally nothing down...taxes tags and such was over 3k...thats and increase $90/mo in payment. I had a 535 in my queue, as I originally wanted a 5 But after driving them (m3/535/550/335) The 335 was undeniable when I incorporated price with level of fun/power, and of course the reason I considered it in the first place...she has plenty of room!

I was loving the 550 but it was almost 1100 a month, and I figured F#*k it. It was the same with the m3, plus that is out dated which is why I just passed. All in all the 335 is an amazingly fun little go kart/ actually functional sedan, But I cant deny the build quality in 5er and up is much better.

BTW I highly doubt this car can be had for under 600(loaded)...Im quite close with my dealer, and they're only making 25$ on the car. Maybe if you went with lower miles but not at 15K.

[badfish718]

Originally Posted by btbossman

I pay 658 for a loaded 335 and 15k miles/year for 36mos, why is that a bad deal?

That's a very good deal considering the mileage allowance, nice job

[btbossman]

Originally Posted by badfish718

That's a very good deal considering the mileage allowance, nice job

Thank you, although I must say there was no negotiating on this one...when they can can they treat me very well. They also took me out of my x5 5 mo's early. Thats why I never stray LOL

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by btbossman

I pay 658 for a loaded 335 and 15k miles/year for 36mos, why is that a bad deal?

Agreed. I'm tired of people saying "that's a bad deal" when they just look at payment (and then say "don't negotiate on payment" somewhere else )

I'm right around where you are also and I got a great deal. I just rolled everything into the payment including a wheel/tire warranty, PDR warranty, tint, black grills, fess, etc.

The only thing that matters is cap cost and MF when looking at a lease. Residuals matter but aren't negotiable so I don't count those. If the residual sucks, I don't even look at the car (I'm talking to you Audi!)

[badfish718]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

Agreed. I'm tired of people saying "that's a bad deal" when they just look at payment (and then say "don't negotiate on payment" somewhere else )

I'm right around where you are also and I got a great deal. I just rolled everything into the payment including a wheel/tire warranty, PDR warranty, tint, black grills, fess, etc.

The only thing that matters is cap cost and MF when looking at a lease. Residuals matter but aren't negotiable so I don't count those. If the residual sucks, I don't even look at the car (I'm talking to you Audi!)

Yep, the residual should only matter when you are deciding which car to consider. However it should be a major factor in choosing a car.

[btbossman]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

Agreed. I'm tired of people saying "that's a bad deal" when they just look at payment (and then say "don't negotiate on payment" somewhere else )

I'm right around where you are also and I got a great deal. I just rolled everything into the payment including a wheel/tire warranty, PDR warranty, tint, black grills, fess, etc.

The only thing that matters is cap cost and MF when looking at a lease. Residuals matter but aren't negotiable so I don't count those. If the residual sucks, I don't even look at the car (I'm talking to you Audi!)

Looks like you did real well if you got all that other stuff too!

[shoei]

Originally Posted by btbossman

BTW I highly doubt this car can be had for under 600(loaded)...Im quite close with my dealer, and they're only making 25$ on the car. Maybe if you went with lower miles but not at 15K.

I actually didn't want to say anything earlier but the second car in the garage is a fully loaded 335 msport, 6mt... I am also close to my dealer, this car was had for under $600 a month... Tax, registration etc, i paid just shy of $2000 and then i gave the dealership another $2000 bringing the total to just under $4000... my monthly payment on the 335 is under $475 a month. Yes i could've gotten away with putting zero down like all the other cars we've gone through from the dealership, but i really had an obsession with seeing it under $500 a month, lol... Someone tried giving me a lecture on MF, Cap Cost and Residuals earlier, which prompted this response from me. Residuals don't matter per say, but you can get it during a softer time, they do fluctuate, so he's partially correct. And yes, i'll post the obligatory pictures, for the naysayers. Sorry, i didn't want to say anything earlier and look like an asshat, so i used the 5'er as an example.

[GhostyM]

<-- Paying $399 a month for 14' 335 Hybrid 59k sticker price, zero down.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

<-- Paying $399 a month for 14' 335 Hybrid 59k sticker price, zero down.

Pics or it didn't happen. Terms? That seems pretty much impossible on a lease unless you got some crazy dealer incentives or traded in a vehicle.

Even If I run a $59k vehicle with a cap cost of $50k, residual of 63% over 36 months and a .00120 which is low for BMW, I get $461 + tax per month with nothing down

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

Pics or it didn't happen. Terms? That seems pretty much impossible on a lease unless you got some crazy dealer incentives or traded in a vehicle.

Even If I run a $59k vehicle with a cap cost of $50k, residual of 63% over 36 months and a .00120 which is low for BMW, I get $461 + tax per month with nothing down

59k MSRP. 7000 off + 3500 eco credit. .0011x MF, 66% 36 month lease.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by Chipped B6

59k MSRP. 7000 off + 3500 eco credit. .0011x MF, 66% 36 month lease.

Is the eco credit a Government thing or a BMW thing?

[btbossman]

Originally Posted by shoei

I actually didn't want to say anything earlier but the second car in the garage is a fully loaded 335 msport, 6mt... I am also close to my dealer, this car was had for under $600 a month... Tax, registration etc, i paid just shy of $2000 and then i gave the dealership another $2000 bringing the total to just under $4000... my monthly payment on the 335 is under $475 a month. Yes i could've gotten away with putting zero down like all the other cars we've gone through from the dealership, but i really had an obsession with seeing it under $500 a month, lol... Someone tried giving me a lecture on MF, Cap Cost and Residuals earlier, which prompted this response from me. Residuals don't matter per say, but you can get it during a softer time, they do fluctuate, so he's partially correct. And yes, i'll post the obligatory pictures, for the naysayers. Sorry, i didn't want to say anything earlier and look like an asshat, so i used the 5'er as an example.

Interesting way of looking at it...Milage/price?...I just dont get putting money down, but regardless had you not, your payment would be right around 600.