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Mission Performance: New to forums, not new to the industry (MAP calibration inside)
You guys might not have heard much about us in the past due to the fact that we have never been active on forums but its time for us to join in and provide BMW world with much needed tuning/reflash support. We have spent many years in BMW industry behind the scenes, building many unique and fun projects. Our involvement with BMWs has began with E39 chassis for which we built a twin-screw supercharger setup for the 540i. Since than we have progressed to building few S62 E39 tourings (once of those was featured at recent BimmerFest). Since then, we have moved on to Fxx chassis and performed word's first successful conversion of RWD 328D F31 touring and currently entertaining an idea of building a S55 (or even N63tu) powered F31.
Well, enough of past projects and time to say why we are here now. While working on the projects in the past, we noticed that BMW performance tuning world is dominated by few old-timer companies delivering very similar product. Those companies for sure have earned your trust since they have been around for a long time, but because of their long-term involvement in this industry, they don't have desire nor need to building new solutions and ideas. This is where we come into play. Making extra power on the new Fxx platform is no brainier and even an amateur tuner can get some gains, but what sets us apart from everyone is a concern for longevity, safety and innovation.* We have seen impressive power gains on S63 and S55 platforms in the past using custom software re-flashes and tuning boxes. Being around high powered engines for a while has taught us one thing: A proper engine calibration software is the*only*option when it comes to reliability. Since Fxx chassis is a relatively easy platform to make decent power on, few companies decided to do what Japanese imports have been doing for many years, and that is using tuning boxes to trick signals to the ECU. Tricking a computer of $60k+ car using a $300 tuning box just doesn't seem right to us. Companies can state that the tuning boxes are 100% safe, but that is just not true. What is true is that for optimal reliability and drive-ability, a proper designed software calibration is the only right choice and no one can deny that. Since this is a given fact, then why do a lot of high powered Fxx still use tuning boxes? Well the answer is really simple: most tuners are satisfied with their profits and just do not feel the need to spend time and money into further research and development. This leaves tuning support half finished for general public and completely unacceptable for those individuals that push their engines to the limits.* Tuning boxes have 2 advantages over a software re-flashes: A) ability to use higher rated MAP sensors B) Ability to implement meth injection. MAP sensor limits have shown to be a huge issues when it comes to proper calibration and we have seen that with quite a few cars tuned by few USA and abroad companies. We have witnessed medium powered S63s and N63tus hitting the MAP limits at 4-5K rpm. And then what? How can you build and sell a performance tune that is already maxing out your sensor at mid-rpms. Well, in our opinion you can't do that and this is why we have never offered for sale our software re-flashes until we figured out the solution to this problem. Our solution is a custom software calibration for a 3 and 3.5 bar MAP sensors paired with a plug and play sensor that we are rolling out within next month. This makes us the only tuner in the industry (until the point when others copy our re-flash) to be able to safely pass the 2.5 and 3bar limits and offer a reliable and well calibrated software for all of our customers that go with stage 2+ packages.* We believe that when a customer purchases a re-flash for their cars, every function should work as intended. At this moment, no other tuner has been able to properly re-flash S63 or N63tu, calibrating the Sports Display to show the actual torque and HP numbers. It might seem like a small deal to some, but to us this is a major concern. Sport display receives the proper data from internal torque model. If the sport display is saying you are making a "stock" amount of torque while dyno is showing 15% increase, well then we know something is wrong with a tune and torque model. In addition to this, quite few computer functions depend on this torque model (including AC and charging system) and proper calibration is a Key to a long lasting platform. Yes it takes a lot of time and resources to properly build a tune, but this is what sets us apart. We do not rush development and release generic software but instead perfect everything and only then make it public.* Future plans for all of you high powered customers: We know that a lot of you chose tuning boxes as they allow you to run integrated methanol injection. Well, this is all about to end as we are starting development for factory-integrated methanol injection using a plug and play harness for BMW factory ECU. That means that we are building complete calibration and program from scratch for pretty much all Fxx vehicles that will allow us to do just this. This is something that has not been attempted before as the R&D costs are phenomenal but having in-house engineers makes it all possible for us.* OBD/End User Flashing: There has been a lot of talk over the last year of OBD flashing release, but no actual release date. That is because such support will not be possible anytime soon. Back in E90/E60 day, tuners got very lucky as their cars had backdoors to flashing function of processor that allowed for un-authorized software to be loaded onto a car. That has all changed with late production TC1796 and introduction of TC1797 processors. Since BMW switched to this new processor line, the backdoor has been closed and only factory signed software can be used on the vehicle. After many months of research of this system, we have been successful of flashing partial data over OBD. The partial data is better then nothing, but in the end of the day it is still not something that we can use. The only way to properly flash Fxx over OBD is to have the master RSA key for the bootloader. Its not possible to brute force crack this key (its possible but would take a very very long time) and it can not be extracted as computer only has public key, not the private "master" one. So at this point on, do not count on having OBD support any time soon. It might happen, but probably not any time soon. Without the backdoor, the only way this will happen is if someone wants to spend good money (and by that I mean very good money) and obtain the mater RSA key for boot loader encryption. Due to this dilemma, we have been forced to abandon OBD flashing research and instead built our own M-Boot option. M-Boot was developed by Mission Performance as an additional solution for all of our returning customers that either want to upgrade performance stage or "temporary" go back to stock for a dealer visit. Since M-Boot is a custom written bootloader for the Fxx chassis, there is no additional chip/hardware needed to be added to the ECU. In addition of having the ability of re-flashing the computer without sending it into our offices, M-Boot offers one very unique feature that no other company can offer at this point. After installation of M-Boot, your engine computer will never need to be updated at the dealer. That means that to the dealership, your engine computer will always show as up-to-date, factory original and in most cases, your tuned computer will not get reflashed to factory state. If for some reason dealership over-writes our M-Boot, we will reinstall the previous calibration for free. On-Site flashing for Group Buys:*We understand that to many customers, sending in your computer might not be an ideal solution. For those individuals, we are doing something that no other companies are offering as well. We can set up group buys of 10+ customers and I can personally fly out and flash your computers. Of course a working environment has to be setup for this to happen, but interested parties can contact us directly to set this up. As a bonus, we are offering performance hardware ,such as downpipes, for many Fxx vehicles. Over time we will be adding more product to our website but if you have some special requests, just shoot us an email atsales@missiontuning.com And questions or requests? Just send us an email or post it here. We are always open to suggestions and requests. |
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I'm glad you guys are developing the F series platform and I like that you guys are somewhat local to me. But posting some results of your work/tunes would make for a much stronger appeal, especially as new sponsor. But regardless, welcome to the forum
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subd for more info. I like what I hear thus far, but the proof is in the pudding...
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We are not here to bash anyone, and sorry if that is how it sounds, but only reason we even joined the forums was the fact that we saw a huge issue with tuning market and support. Just yesterday we had an old time member come to us with a 535i, previously flashed with GSR. After his car got updated at the dealer, it started to missfire and cutoff at higher rpms with GSR tune. After 4 failed attempts to fix the issue, they stopped offering support for BMWDoubles and even declined to flash his car back to stock. After we reflashed his vehicle yesterday, all problems went away and he is a happy camper. After further investigation and checking version numbers of software, it was obvious that GSR used v54.3 calibration base on a v55 software update level. Since these versions are not cross compatible, BMWDouble was in real danger of doing serious damage to his vehicle. This is not how tuning industry should be done. A tuner that actually cares about what they are selling will always rebuild every tune from scratch for every update and patch that comes out and not sell an outdated calibrations. If you are buying product, we believe there should be full support available, especially product being a software code. Last edited by MissionPerformance; 03-03-2016 at 09:05 AM.. |
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This is a basic stage 1 calibration for F30 328D N47 diesel. Safe gains from a 2.0td 3.5bar custom MAP(top) calibration vs 2.5bar factory(buttom). |
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MissionPerformance I'm sure everyone on the F30 wants to see what you guys have done on the F3x platform such as 328/335 , 435, 535 those numbers will work too.
You forgot to post the Stage2 for the 328d =P I saw those were really good gains. Welcome again
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Unfortunately my flash from GSR went from excellent to unsafe after the dealer wiped my flash. Software compatibility is key for anyone entering the realm of flash tunes. We're not tricking sensors, were working with software versions. It's like trying to run an old app on your new iPhone or Android OS, probably gonna crash at some point or not even run at all unless you update the app.
The key to what Mission Performance is that after the initial bench flash everything can be updated remotely. So if you go to the dealer OBD your car back to stock beforehand. If that dealer wipes your flash OBD back to the previous tune, but with an update for the new BMW software version and most importantly update remotely!
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Oh for sure not. A tune alone will not come to these numbers, at least not safelly. But Obrien does have one hell of a nice machine built, no question about that.
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Its kind of old news to come to the forum and tell us about what this great product is going to do....how about once the product is available for sale post then product, price. I have read so many posts like this already...you post on a certain forum with diesel numbers??? most people here want N55, N20/26 products and numbers
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We are doing a dyno day for BMW Doubles this weekend, and you guys will get the numbers for sure. The product is already available for s55, s63, n63tu, m57, n57, n47, n55 and N26 in both stage 1 and stage 2 varients.
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you say safely, why is that? what prevents a flash tune from accomplishing what a piggy back can do over and over and over again with no issues? Im currently at 582whp/596wtq. Not trying to bash or instigate, its just that we get so many "flash tuners" that say they can surpass what a JB4 can do, but always end up failing and using the JB4 for something, i.e. boost control. Im definitely not a tuner, im just good at taking things apart and bolting new things back on lol, to me it seems likes its completely possible, so im just looking for a logical answer that makes sense. Or is it simply because you dont have full flash access to the DME?
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obriennathaniel hope you guys get something cooking!
Stubok could prob work with what you were asking on fueling or higher boost on your N20
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That's way more than I expect anyone will ever need. I don't think I can see myself in the 30's, but with forged internals then maybe close. I'd like to start with 25PSI peak tapering to 20PSI. Have stage 2 turbo, and getting fuel-it for extra fueling. Also going to get JB4 for boost control, over a Back end flash. That seems to be the best way to go right now. Unless someone shows me different. |
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The map sensors are Absolute pressure sensors. That means that at idle pressure with 14.5 atmospheric pressure would leave you with 1 bar reading. That leaves you with only 1.5bar(22psi) range of boost to the limits of the sensor.
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