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      10-16-2016, 08:34 AM   #23
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Lol, I thought this topic was forbidden but...

Glock 22 .40 cal
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The pistols are nice and great for home defense, but at the range the AR is king... looking to put a scope on it now.
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Lol, I thought this topic was forbidden but...

Glock 22 .40 cal
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Ar15, Smith & Wesson M&P 15 2

The pistols are nice and great for home defense, but at the range the AR is king... looking to put a scope on it now.
I don't understand why it would or should be forbidden. Guns are tools like a hammer, pieces of history, and technologically interesting. They have liberated our country, protected our borders and protect our lives and our childrens lives. Anyone who is offended by them is offended out of ignorance and would do well to use a discussion on firearms to learn about them. I would understand banning the illegal or incorrect use of them. But possession of them is a constitutional right. Not much higher validation than that. Even driving is only a privilege.
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I don't understand why it would or should be forbidden. Guns are tools like a hammer, pieces of history, and technologically interesting. They have liberated our country, protected our borders and protect our lives and our childrens lives. Anyone who is offended by them is offended out of ignorance and would do well to use a discussion on firearms to learn about them. I would understand banning the illegal or incorrect use of them. But possession of them is a constitutional right. Not much higher validation than that. Even driving is only a privilege.
Agreed!!

As an aside, I was asking one of the employees at my local store about shotguns. Can't beat one for home defense. He commented that more and more people are moving to ARs because of the increased amount of ammo and its accuracy. I'm going to have to check this out. I fired one a few years ago and it was unbelievable..
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Agreed!!

As an aside, I was asking one of the employees at my local store about shotguns. Can't beat one for home defense. He commented that more and more people are moving to ARs because of the increased amount of ammo and its accuracy. I'm going to have to check this out. I fired one a few years ago and it was unbelievable..
AR's are awesome, I will tell you right now...

As far as home defense, my prefence is pistols... the problem with AR's is they are too powerful for home defense and penetrating walls of your house and hitting your neighbors in an emergency is high... as far as shotguns, they will cause an extreme mess, and if you have the wrong weight of buckshot, it can actually can bounce back or ricochet indoors...
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Can't beat a good old remington 870 pump for home defense, ar isn't nearly as effective and may get book thrown at you for using thst as home defense.
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I have ar, ak and 12 gauge. I grab shotgun if I'm defending. Why? More stopping power than anything else, still have 9 rounds, pump noise should be enough to stop aggression, dont need to be as accurate, rounds wont travel through neighbors walls killing them, etc. Mine is a 9 round pump with low recoil manstopper buckshot for accurate followup.
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Same have all 3 and would grab 870
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I am not really into guns (or those hideous couches, hehe)

but that room is pretty awesome.
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Agreed!!

As an aside, I was asking one of the employees at my local store about shotguns. Can't beat one for home defense. He commented that more and more people are moving to ARs because of the increased amount of ammo and its accuracy. I'm going to have to check this out. I fired one a few years ago and it was unbelievable..
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AR's are awesome, I will tell you right now...

As far as home defense, my prefence is pistols... the problem with AR's is they are too powerful for home defense and penetrating walls of your house and hitting your neighbors in an emergency is high... as far as shotguns, they will cause an extreme mess, and if you have the wrong weight of buckshot, it can actually can bounce back or ricochet indoors...
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I have ar, ak and 12 gauge. I grab shotgun if I'm defending. Why? More stopping power than anything else, still have 9 rounds, pump noise should be enough to stop aggression, dont need to be as accurate, rounds wont travel through neighbors walls killing them, etc. Mine is a 9 round pump with low recoil manstopper buckshot for accurate followup.
Sheetrock penetration is, for the most part, very similar between 00 Buck, 5.56 and 9mm JHP. We're talking about only 1 to 2 sheets of drywall between the least penetrating and the most penetrating.

What might be the most under scrutinized aspect of using an AR for in home defense is sound pressure. Prepare to most likely have some permanent hearing damage if firing a 55gr 5.56 in a small room. If i had to use an AR for in home defense, it would be my 9" barreled .300blk chambered with subsonic rounds with a suppressor.

00 Buck is going to create less sound pressure, but as with the AR, you have to be concerned about using a longer weapon in confined spaces. Something people should practice if they are going to use a long gun for CQB. Though the best advice for home defense is to take up a singular defensive position with a shotgun which gives you some type of cover or the ability to see and identify the intruder prior to them seeing you. Also, bear in mind that at the typical home defense shooting occurs at a range of 7 to 12 ft. At 12 ft, 00buck only has about a 2" spread out of a 16" barrel. (slightly larger spread with shorter barrel length of course, but we're talking another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch) So don't think you don't have to worry about accuracy.

Given the ballistic similarities in terms of penetration, if i were to investigate something going bump in the night, i would choose my H&K 9mm pistol with 17rd capacity and a weapon mounted light. I can operate the pistol and weapon light effectively with one hand, either hand at that. I very much like the ability to keep effective control of my weapon with just one hand leaving one free to operate doors, lights, phone, etc... If i were certain someone was in my home, i'd have the wife armed with a shotgun and i would wield a 9mm bull-pup with a weapon light. We would take up a defensive position in our bedroom which creates a fatal funnel. That's what works for us and we've practiced it. If our house were different our plan would likely be different.

Everyone needs to realize that the most effective weapon in your home is your brain. Training in your home, finding the best defensive position, making a plan to get there and hold it will give you far better chances to survive a home innovation than just picking your favorite defensive tool.
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I am not really into guns (or those hideous couches, hehe)

but that room is pretty awesome.
No kidding about the couches... looks like they came out of a college residence hall from the 1980's.

I'll have everything else in the room though.
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I am not really into guns (or those hideous couches, hehe)

but that room is pretty awesome.
No kidding about the couches... looks like they came out of a college residence hall from the 1980's.

I'll have everything else in the room though.
Don't forget the heinous floor tile.

Looks more like the cave of redundancy and bad taste. :
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Sheetrock penetration is, for the most part, very similar between 00 Buck, 5.56 and 9mm JHP. We're talking about only 1 to 2 sheets of drywall between the least penetrating and the most penetrating.

What might be the most under scrutinized aspect of using an AR for in home defense is sound pressure. Prepare to most likely have some permanent hearing damage if firing a 55gr 5.56 in a small room. If i had to use an AR for in home defense, it would be my 9" barreled .300blk chambered with subsonic rounds with a suppressor.

00 Buck is going to create less sound pressure, but as with the AR, you have to be concerned about using a longer weapon in confined spaces. Something people should practice if they are going to use a long gun for CQB. Though the best advice for home defense is to take up a singular defensive position with a shotgun which gives you some type of cover or the ability to see and identify the intruder prior to them seeing you. Also, bear in mind that at the typical home defense shooting occurs at a range of 7 to 12 ft. At 12 ft, 00buck only has about a 2" spread out of a 16" barrel. (slightly larger spread with shorter barrel length of course, but we're talking another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch) So don't think you don't have to worry about accuracy.

Given the ballistic similarities in terms of penetration, if i were to investigate something going bump in the night, i would choose my H&K 9mm pistol with 17rd capacity and a weapon mounted light. I can operate the pistol and weapon light effectively with one hand, either hand at that. I very much like the ability to keep effective control of my weapon with just one hand leaving one free to operate doors, lights, phone, etc... If i were certain someone was in my home, i'd have the wife armed with a shotgun and i would wield a 9mm bull-pup with a weapon light. We would take up a defensive position in our bedroom which creates a fatal funnel. That's what works for us and we've practiced it. If our house were different our plan would likely be different.

Everyone needs to realize that the most effective weapon in your home is your brain. Training in your home, finding the best defensive position, making a plan to get there and hold it will give you far better chances to survive a home innovation than just picking your favorite defensive tool.
My house and my neighbors is cinderblock. Not worried about buckshot but high powered rifles yes. And the shotgun is short 20" barreled with large rooms. Number 2 pick would be the 40.
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Personally, I find a .45 easier to get back on target than a 9mm in a polymer frame pistol.

If you were shooting 9mm in your typical heavier 1911 frame, then my answer would likely change. I just find Glock's snappy, whereas I find the 1911 to be more of a push than a snap.

But that's just personal preference, some interesting stats above.
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Thats true too but they suck to carry.
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Thats true too but they suck to carry.
I'm Canadian. I'm not carrying.

I'm only armed with my rapier wit.
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I am not really into guns (or those hideous couches, hehe)

but that room is pretty awesome.
No kidding about the couches... looks like they came out of a college residence hall from the 1980's.

I'll have everything else in the room though.
Don't forget the heinous floor tile.

Looks more like the cave of redundancy and bad taste. :
Always with the flooring.
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