435i xDrive MSport, or wait for 340i xDrive MSport?

Versipellis · 05-29-2015, 06:48 AM

So not long ago, I was set on trading in my E90 328xi for a '13 CPO 335i xDrive MSport for my daily drive (I only drive to work about half the time, though) - which I'm looking for something sporty but practical, with the intention of AutoX and maybe track days if I can afford regularly burning through tires. Definitely was planning on getting a Dinan Stage 2 at some point in time.

However, when I went for my test drive, I also tried out the 435i xDrive MSport, and loved it. I don't know if it was just me, but the steering and handling felt a lot tighter and wasn't as "disconnected" from the road as the F30 felt (that needed MPPK and DHP to "fix"), and the LED lights looked better. Afterwards, looking it up, I was impressed that its listed 0-60 was a good 0.6 seconds quicker than the 335. I wasn't particularly enthused about the smaller rear window, but I consider myself a relatively road-aware driver, though I don't know how it'll feel on a highway.

However, with the LCI 340 coming out, it looks like the redesigned steering and suspension would solve a lot of issues, plus it has the beautiful LED headlights too.

Should I wait a while for the LCI F30 (I'd prefer getting CPO on it, to save some money, so it'll be a while), or go for the 435?

BDWonder · 05-29-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Versipellis

So not long ago, I was set on trading in my E90 328xi for a '13 CPO 335i xDrive MSport for my daily drive (I only drive to work about half the time, though) - which I'm looking for something sporty but practical, with the intention of AutoX and maybe track days if I can afford regularly burning through tires. Definitely was planning on getting a Dinan Stage 2 at some point in time.

However, when I went for my test drive, I also tried out the 435i xDrive MSport, and loved it. I don't know if it was just me, but the steering and handling felt a lot tighter and wasn't as "disconnected" from the road as the F30 felt (that needed MPPK and DHP to "fix"), and the LED lights looked better. Afterwards, looking it up, I was impressed that its listed 0-60 was a good 0.6 seconds quicker than the 335. I wasn't particularly enthused about the smaller rear window, but I consider myself a relatively road-aware driver, though I don't know how it'll feel on a highway.

However, with the LCI 340 coming out, it looks like the redesigned steering and suspension would solve a lot of issues, plus it has the beautiful LED headlights too.

Should I wait a while for the LCI F30 (I'd prefer getting CPO on it, to save some money, so it'll be a while), or go for the 435?

As a 435i owner...i say wait for the 340. Wait!!! Perhaps the dhp will be updated too. Wait!!! New engine...more power...im sure u can tune 340 soon...better suspension...id wait...good luck in your decision.

m_alnimah · 05-29-2015, 07:58 AM

Simple, wait for the 340

Versipellis · 05-29-2015, 08:30 AM

Thanks for the recommendations - any explanations for why, though? See, my worry is that if I wait, by the time I pick up a 340 LCI, the 435 will be undergoing its own LCI, and then that's going to look more desirable than a 340 LCI, and thus the endless cycle of waiting continues

bimmer_335 · 05-29-2015, 09:20 AM

340i looks too boring even after LCI. Yes it gains a little bit of power but 435 is more unique.

Go for 435i... that's what I'd do.

xlover · 05-29-2015, 09:40 AM

If you arent in a rush, I would wait and drive the 340i and if you aren't sold vs getting a coupe bodystyle wait till winter and drive the 440i after the engine update

BimmerBoomer · 05-29-2015, 09:57 AM

I'm not sure where you're headed with this: I think the 435i xDrive absolutely needs DHP and MPPK to even approach high performance driving. Whether a 340i xDrive will be any better is something that no one here can answer right now. My guess is not much.

Versipellis · 05-29-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BimmerBoomer

I'm not sure where you're headed with this: I think the 435i xDrive absolutely needs DHP and MPPK to even approach high performance driving. Whether a 340i xDrive will be any better is something that no one here can answer right now. My guess is not much.

Oh, I'm absolutely still looking for one with MPPK and DHP on it. The problem is that for some reason, I don't think sites like Autotrader don't list whether the car has DHP or not, and you need to contact the dealer to find out - its a pain in the neck. Cars with DHP on them seem pretty rare, too. How much of a deal-breaker is not having DHP? I know that MPPK and DHP are a must on the 3-series xDrives in order to fix the terrible steering and suspension, but is it as bad on the 4-series?

BimmerBoomer · 05-29-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Versipellis

Oh, I'm absolutely still looking for one with MPPK and DHP on it. The problem is that for some reason, sites like Autotrader don't list whether the car has DHP or not, and you need to contact the dealer to find out - its a pain in the neck.

Oh well, I guess getting one dealer to do a search tips your hand?

In any case, I'm waiting for a response from BMW to the M-B C450 - and I'm dubious that will arrive prior to MY 2017, if ever. But I'll be happy with my 435i xDrive for another couple of years, even though it is the least powerful of my last three BMWs.

Onesip · 05-30-2015, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Versipellis

Oh, I'm absolutely still looking for one with MPPK and DHP on it. The problem is that for some reason, I don't think sites like Autotrader don't list whether the car has DHP or not, and you need to contact the dealer to find out - its a pain in the neck.

You can use this site to view the options on a BMW by VIN number (actually last 7 digits). Cars with DHP will have "Adaptive M Suspension" and "Variable Sport Steering".

http://www.bmwarchive.org/vin/bmw-vin-decoder.html

Versipellis · 05-30-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesip

You can use this site to view the options on a BMW by VIN number (actually last 7 digits). Cars with DHP will have "Adaptive M Suspension" and "Variable Sport Steering".

http://www.bmwarchive.org/vin/bmw-vin-decoder.html

Cheers, thank you!

Rainbird · 05-30-2015, 02:32 PM

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How much of a deal-breaker is not having DHP? I know that MPPK and DHP are a must on the 3-series xDrives in order to fix the terrible steering and suspension, but is it as bad on the 4-series?

IMO---DHP is an absolute must-have!

TheLiverBird · 05-30-2015, 02:42 PM

Here in the UK the 2 aspects of the DHP are separate - I've just gone from a 435d with standard suspension to a 435d with adaptive and there's a huge difference. Old car was nothing like as comfortable or as sporty - it was sort of stuck in the middle and therefore neither. Definitely go with the DHP as IMHO the adaptive suspension changes the car dramatically.

Versipellis · 06-02-2015, 09:57 AM

I noticed that the DHP includes VSS in the package as well, while the Adaptive M Suspension can be purchased separately as an option. I hate VSS, and as an xDrive, would I still need to get DHP or is the Adaptive M Suspension alone enough?

Blubaron79 · 06-02-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Versipellis

I noticed that the DHP includes VSS in the package as well, while the Adaptive M Suspension can be purchased separately as an option. I hate VSS, and as an xDrive, would I still need to get DHP or is the Adaptive M Suspension alone enough?

They cannot be purchased separately on either car.

Versipellis · 06-02-2015, 05:07 PM

Shucks, I just noticed that. Oh well, thanks!

sandwi54 · 06-02-2015, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79

They cannot be purchased separately on either car.

Adaptive M suspension CAN be purchased separately from the DHP IF you have the M Sport package.

Blubaron79 · 06-02-2015, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sandwi54

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Originally Posted by Blubaron79

They cannot be purchased separately on either car.

Adaptive M suspension CAN be purchased separately from the DHP IF you have the M Sport package.

They are the same thing.

floppyedonkey · 06-02-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xlover

If you arent in a rush, I would wait and drive the 340i and if you aren't sold vs getting a coupe bodystyle wait till winter and drive the 440i after the engine update

The 4 series LCI isn't coming this winter.. More than a year away at min.

RM7 · 06-02-2015, 08:52 PM

Realize, you can always get aftermarket swaybars or something. Sometimes they take a little while to hit the market, but if the 340xi has an improved suspension and you like the 435 variant, it's not like you can't make the 435 suspension outperform the 340. There are a few options to do so.

xlover · 06-06-2015, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by floppyedonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlover

If you arent in a rush, I would wait and drive the 340i and if you aren't sold vs getting a coupe bodystyle wait till winter and drive the 440i after the engine update

The 4 series LCI isn't coming this winter.. More than a year away at min.

LCI isn't..... But the new motor is in March 16

Versipellis · 06-08-2015, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xlover

LCI isn't..... But the new motor is in March 16

Are we expecting all the 435's to get the new engine even if they don't get LCI?

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Versipellis Captain 131 Rep 682 Posts Drives: '17 F36 440i xDrive M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	435i xDrive MSport, or wait for 340i xDrive MSport? So not long ago, I was set on trading in my E90 328xi for a '13 CPO 335i xDrive MSport for my daily drive (I only drive to work about half the time, though) - which I'm looking for something sporty but practical, with the intention of AutoX and maybe track days if I can afford regularly burning through tires. Definitely was planning on getting a Dinan Stage 2 at some point in time. However, when I went for my test drive, I also tried out the 435i xDrive MSport, and loved it. I don't know if it was just me, but the steering and handling felt a lot tighter and wasn't as "disconnected" from the road as the F30 felt (that needed MPPK and DHP to "fix"), and the LED lights looked better. Afterwards, looking it up, I was impressed that its listed 0-60 was a good 0.6 seconds quicker than the 335. I wasn't particularly enthused about the smaller rear window, but I consider myself a relatively road-aware driver, though I don't know how it'll feel on a highway. However, with the LCI 340 coming out, it looks like the redesigned steering and suspension would solve a lot of issues, plus it has the beautiful LED headlights too. Should I wait a while for the LCI F30 (I'd prefer getting CPO on it, to save some money, so it'll be a while), or go for the 435? Last edited by Versipellis; 05-29-2015 at 06:56 AM..
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Versipellis Captain 131 Rep 682 Posts Drives: '17 F36 440i xDrive M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the recommendations - any explanations for why, though? See, my worry is that if I wait, by the time I pick up a 340 LCI, the 435 will be undergoing its own LCI, and then that's going to look more desirable than a 340 LCI, and thus the endless cycle of waiting continues
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BimmerBoomer demoted 453 Rep 1,172 Posts Drives: 2022 Audi S5 Sportback Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Grimsby, Ontario iTrader: (0)	I'm not sure where you're headed with this: I think the 435i xDrive absolutely needs DHP and MPPK to even approach high performance driving. Whether a 340i xDrive will be any better is something that no one here can answer right now. My guess is not much.
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Versipellis Captain 131 Rep 682 Posts Drives: '17 F36 440i xDrive M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	I noticed that the DHP includes VSS in the package as well, while the Adaptive M Suspension can be purchased separately as an option. I hate VSS, and as an xDrive, would I still need to get DHP or is the Adaptive M Suspension alone enough?
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