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Here is a question - If the 5er GT continued on its course and remained as a typical R-Klasse competitor - would it have been more successful?
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>global customer base and that all markets are catered for >all markets are catered for Last edited by HoundForHire; 12-03-2012 at 05:23 PM.. Reason: color |
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So, these are the numbers for 5GT globally.
The data is sorted by 2012 YTD, and the 2012 est figure is based on monthly averages by Q1, Q2 and Q3... not that scientific but won't be too far off. Make of it what you will, but it shows that to say the 5GT shouldn't exist because it's a poor seller would imply that BMW needs to drop 6 or 7 other models too. |
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why bmw??? why??????
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Looks like we know how the 4 series front end will look like...let the renderings begin! Can't believe those hideous boomerangs on the front fenders made it to production.
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That's a fantastic chart!
I can't believe the 5GT is selling almost as well as the 3 series coupe! I wouldn't have guessed that they were even in the same ballpark. I also can't believe the explosion in 5-series sales overall - phenomenal! |
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OMG...barf.
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not a fan. The only thing I like is the panoramic sunroof. Looks too fat in the rear and those side vents are killing me, I was hoping those were just pre-production mock ups on the previous pictures I saw.
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12-03-2012, 07:08 PM | #299 | |
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I appreciate the time you took to reply to my post. I do understand and agree with many points you make regarding the global market and its changes, BMW's push to remain independent, etc. But I still believe that you can cater to many markets and increase sales volume without selling out, or by building ghastly looking cars like the 3GT. I'm willing to accept as many new niche BMW models as long as the core models stay true to the company's roots, but unfortunately, that's not the case. The latest generation of M cars have deviated so far from their predecessors that the M division is no longer the object of desire it used to be. Not to mention how grossly overpriced they are. If things like the "Lime Rock Edition" and "DTM Champion Edition" M3s, and the massive proliferation of M badges on every possible model is not selling out, I don't know what is. |
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12-03-2012, 07:16 PM | #300 | |
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Unlike most of my fellow Americans, I like hatchbacks. I think the A3 looks really cool and the new one, to us, looks great as well. It has nice proportions and I love the Audi quattro drive system. But, this 3GT has some odd lines to my eye. It appears to rise in the rear, and the side crease accentuates that. It accentuates what is already looking like a bulbous butt. To us a more 'murcan word, it's got a badonkadonk, but not in a pleasant way. That's just one thing that strikes me. This whole thing about making sedans "look" like coupes is silly to me. It's not just BMW, other manufacturers are doing it too, some with greater success than others. Why is it silly? Well, in my opinion, if you want a coupe, then get the coupe. If you want a sedan, you know which one to get. If you need a sport wagon, BMW already has your 3 for that as well. So, it begs the question of the need for this "coupe" like sedan that is not a wagon but is trying to serve that need while looking simply like a sedan with a hatchback, but it's not really a hatchback as it's supposed to seen as a coupe like sedan. Perhaps the problem may be is that the styling looks confused as it doesn't really know what it wants to be, and thus it's trying to a bit of everything. The original CLS shape and design was not this confused, and neither is the A7, or even the VW CC. This GT doesn't really "cross" designs so much as it slams into all of them in a not so elegant way. I don't mind different models for different niches, but perhaps BMW shouldn't name it a 3 "GT", and also not make it look like a 3 series either. I'm sure they could be more creative and give different niche models their own distinct look instead of looking like a genetically odd 3 series. If this is a new and/or different model for a different niche, then make it look like that, and not like a 3 series. Yes,the side vent, or whatever it is, is AWFUL looking. It looks like the designer felt compelled to put it there for whatever reason. It doesn't look cool, nor does it's shape relate to anything on the car. So, why? Perhaps this is not so much Americans not liking hatchbacks as much as BMW 3 series fans not wanting this to look so related to the 3 series. Some comments do sound as if the poster thinks this GT will replace the sedan/saloon, and that's not true. I understand that BMW is simply trying to advance it's market share. As I said, I like hatchbacks, and if this GT is supposed to be some odd coupe like sedan hatchback, then I'm not getting it. As others have said, I'll also reserve final judgement after seeing it in person. Maybe it will look better as some cars do look better in 3 dimensions. Question: Is the top/roof of the GT higher than the sedan at it's peak? It appears to be a taller vehicle than the sedan. Last edited by RPM90; 12-03-2012 at 07:37 PM.. |
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12-03-2012, 07:32 PM | #302 | |
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For the good business case, the opinions here should tell BMW something, and they likely know it may no sell well here in the US. Yes, that doesn't matter for other parts of the world that may like them. As for the styling question, each person has a right to express their likes and dislikes. To be frustrated that not everyone likes what you like will have you living in a world that will disappoint you often. A Briton's opinion on style isn't any more valid than a Canadians or an Aussies, and yet, it's also just as valid as any of them. That's why it's called an "opinion". |
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I think the point of the post you replied to is precisely to answer those questions, with the answer being that the existing 5GT is selling in appreciable numbers in some markets. So then, probably, will the 3GT. Quote:
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BMW should ask themselves why they lost sales on the popular cars from 07 and 08 numbers. Seems when they 'added' new models some people who may have bought the other cars bought the new models instead. If a broader global strategy is better, then one would expect to see continuing growth ON TOP of the sales numbers, and not nearly the same total number after adding models. It looks like BMW's new models may be cannibalizing sales within their own line. That's just an initial impression I gleamed from the charts, more analysis is worthy, and I expect BMW has done it. But, it still begs the question as to why some of their past very popular cars have dropped in sales. Looks like the new models may have simply helped prop up sales and not really increased them as dramatically as the number of new models introduced would expect. Look at how well BMW did with 5 series sales once they spent more time fixing the 5 series. The 6 is also doing much better with the redesign. Why no Z4 after 08? I wonder how well, or not, the new model is doing. The X5 may have suffered sales after the intro of the X6. Total combined X5 and X6 sales for 2011 show an increase of a bit over 25K cars sold, compared to the 07 X5 all on it's own. Yet investing a lot of money into R&D and construction of the X6 has resulted in only a 25K cars sold increase. Is/was that investment worth it, along with now having to continue future development and build lines for 2 different models? The 1 series has done really well for BMW, yet, they have taken way too long to bring the new replacement. And now that they have sale have increased again. The 1 series coupe is holding it's own even though it's way old now. The vert is doing well as it needs a replacement badly, and yet where is it? The 1 coupe and vert have done very well in the US/NA market. Where is the new 1 series for the NA market? Where is the 1/2 series sedan that so many would love to have? Total BMW sales from 07 compared to whole year totals in 2011, shows an increase of 103,561 sales in 5 years from 07 to 2011. And within those 5 years, 4 NEW models were brought in. That's a lot of research, design, and construction investment for only a 103.5K increase in total sales between 5 years. Doesn't seem as big of an increase considering the investment to get those 4 new models to market. I'm wondering, instead of using investment to improve and build on already successful models, it seems a lot of time, money and effort has been spent on creating new niche models that may end up simply competing within the brand instead of actually creating NEW customers. I'm sure the Chinese market will be the bigger payoff once it really starts rolling. The Chinese market has huge potential for all manufactures, and I can see BMW wants as much market share as they can get, and of course they should. I just don't want to see a neglect for the base/core of BMW's existing customers, with the core models that do and have done very well for them. Personally, I REALLY wanted a new replacement for my 135i, either a new coupe or a sedan, but it didn't happen, and it's long overdue. I'm no expert clearly, but to me I would want a new and/or niche model to create NEW sales, bring in new customers, and build sales numbers, rather than cannibalize one models sales for a new model. "On top of" sales shows the benefit of a new model rather than "instead of" sales. |
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