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Basically think of it like this: F30 3 series sedan = 5 series sedan F32 4 series coupe = 6 series coupe F33 4 series cabrio = 6 series cabrio F34 3 series GT = 5 series GT F36 4 series gran coupe = 6 series gran coupe. See easy |
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08-29-2012, 09:17 PM | #113 |
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08-30-2012, 08:03 AM | #117 | |
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08-30-2012, 08:31 AM | #119 |
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I've been comparing the photos of the GT and the Sedan, in an effort to determin if the roofline of the GT will be the same as the Sedan. By comparing te following two, it looks like the roofline's will be very, very similar if not the same:
Also, the ride height seems almost, if not, the same as the sedan. If so, it will be much sportier than the 5GT. It appears I'm definitely in the minority, but am very much looking forward to the full reveal. |
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08-30-2012, 09:07 AM | #122 |
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Perhaps the head room is the same as in 3er Sedan but the sitting position is a bit higher in the GT (although still lower than in 5er GT!). The whole 3er GT is higher than sedan.
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08-30-2012, 09:31 AM | #123 | |
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Bash Bangle all you want, but what he and van Hooydonk have designed over the last fifteen years have led the design world and nearly every car on the road today owes something to their designs. Sure, some of their designs like the E65 and the E60 were a little ham fisted in total, but design elements on each have endured and inspired other designs. |
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08-30-2012, 10:12 AM | #124 |
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Head room would be better in the rear, also if it is slightly higher it may be more accommodating for the third rear passenger.
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08-30-2012, 10:13 AM | #125 |
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08-30-2012, 10:16 AM | #126 |
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I just fear the " German Toyoda " philosophy may spread this company too thin...
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08-30-2012, 10:20 AM | #127 | |
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BMW customers do not want a VW despite the exceptionally tailored designer suit. You would be surprised how many BMW and even Mercedes-Benz customers see through the visage. BMW CEO Norbert Reithofer has even announced that Audi is a volume brand masquerading as a premium one. But speaking of VW did you know that demand in Europe has spurned them on to develop a hatch of the next euro Passat model. considering the Passat was orignally a hatch until 1988. This is why the 3er GT is essential for europe where customers need extra flexibility than a regular sedan. hatches in this segment are very popular in many european countries for this very reason.
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08-30-2012, 03:15 PM | #128 | |
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The F20 was launched at the end of the life cycle of all its direct competitors. When it would not sell, inspite of the controversial looks, the disaster would have been epic. Thank God, this isn't the case, but the renewed competition is ready now. So let's hope for the best. In your argumentation you make believe that BMW sells thanks to its controversial design, I just say it would have been even better without it. I don't believe you need negativism to optimize EBITDA. Concerning looks, of course it's a matter of taste, I just observe that almost everybody lauded the E12 -> 39 and E23 -> E38 and polarisation was extreme with E60 and E65. I thought it was the hand of Bangle that designed or at least approved them. That Merc didn't do a better job, doesn't make the design any better. Merc had to struggle with other problems then like you know probably better than me. You argument that the 5GT is a good car, I can't disagree, I don't know. A Humvee is probably also a good car, but I hope BMW is not going that direction. Everybody can observe the dilution from a specialised quality manufacturer of driver focussed (and beautiful) cars towards a "Jack of all trades, master of none". And yes, sales will probably go up, look how big Toyota and VW have become with this strategy. I see me stepping out of the BMW and my 2 neighbours, who don' t give a dam for cars, stepping into one. I guess, I'll have to accept this but for now, I still feel bad about it. Last edited by KoenG; 08-30-2012 at 03:30 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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08-30-2012, 04:19 PM | #129 |
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What are you going to buy that will be any different? Audi, Mercedes? To buy in to those brands will have you moving much further away from what BMW is/was, and they are both doing exactley what BMW is anyway - filling niches to capture further demographics. And for what reason, to get a sportier drive?... generally speaking, in any category they offer a model for the BMW is the benchmark for the driving experience - maybe the gap is closer now than it was... but hey, this is the 6th generation of BMW 3 series we're talking about here - it's about time the competition caught up a bit!
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08-30-2012, 04:20 PM | #130 | |
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I am asking because the dilution rationale to me with BMW doesn't fit because they are not making cars that compete against each other like GM. The material and build quality is improving and if BMW didn't take this route they would have been bought out by another company by now and the product would be no where near as good as it is today. BMW has never taken a step back with a product end is the benchmark in nearly every segment. There are different levels within the BMW line for basically every consumer and truth be told, the M135i is better than any sports package or M sport car BMW has ever built and it doesn't carry the premium price of a 1M for example. Looks are subjective and the more I see the new 1, it grows on me and surely someone will copy it and it will be even more mainstream. I just don't see the logic in people complaining about a single product and how it will prevent them from buying something in the brand. That's like saying you dislike Cadbury milk chocolate bars with nuts in them so you won't buy anything Cadbury because of that even though they offer bars without nuts...
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08-30-2012, 04:26 PM | #131 | |
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Is it any different than spending R&D on seven dash boards, seats designs, arm rests, etc, where you used to have two? |
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08-30-2012, 04:40 PM | #132 |
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