Estoril Blue II vs Monaco Blue

DesertSmokeBBQ · 03-05-2013, 12:14 AM

Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between these two colors? I parked my 2013 328i next to my friends 2013 M5. His color code is B50/5 and mine is B45 but ill be damned if I can tell the difference between the two in direct sunlight from any angle. Anyone have any insight?

EDIT: Monte Carlo Blue vice Monaco Blue

eclipsisNA · 03-05-2013, 12:35 AM

I think you're the only one. Monaco is a dark, almost black/blue, and Estoril is very bright. No comparison. Monte Carlo Blue is almost identical to Estoril though.

Are you sure your friend's M5 isn't Monte Carlo Blue, a standard M5 color?

DesertSmokeBBQ · 03-05-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by eclipsisNA

I think you're the only one. Monaco is a dark, almost black even, and Estoril is very bright. No comparison. Monte Carlo Blue is almost identical to Estoril though.

Are you sure your friend's M5 isn't Monte Carlo Blue, a standard M5 color?

Oooooops, I meant "Monte Carlo" blue....

eclipsisNA · 03-05-2013, 01:34 AM

The differences between MCB and EB are minor, but they're there. I saw my old MCB M3 next to an Estoril E36, and Estoril is a lighter color. MCB is a deeper, darker blue, but not by a large amount.

Before I sold my MCB M3, I took pictures of my future EB F30's painted reflectors against the MCB M3:

DesertSmokeBBQ · 03-05-2013, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eclipsisNA

The differences between MCB and EB are minor, but they're there. I saw my old MCB M3 next to an Estoril E36, and Estoril is a lighter color. MCB is a deeper, darker blue, but not by a large amount.

Before I sold my MCB M3, I took pictures of my future EB F30's painted reflectors against the MCB M3:

I appreciate the picture but tough(for my eye) to discern a difference.

Who? · 03-05-2013, 06:14 AM

shite, i can barely tell too

eclipsisNA · 03-05-2013, 11:17 AM

One more:

finaloption · 03-05-2013, 12:51 PM

here's a link to a previous post.. they look pretty damn same to me.. i haven't seen EBII in person yet, so i can't say for sure

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=722971

DesertSmokeBBQ · 03-05-2013, 07:56 PM

i get that there might be some minor difference but you can hold that reflector up to the car until the moon falls from the heavens and I still wont see a difference.

justinnum1 · 03-05-2013, 08:14 PM

MB has more blude than EB2, eb2 has more silver i think. but they are very similar

David328M-Sport · 03-05-2013, 08:25 PM

Unfortunately, photos cannot do EB MB & MCB justice.
Reaching the limit of colour gamut that many cameras are capable of.
The eye is much more discernible.

DesertSmokeBBQ · 03-05-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by David328M-Sport

Unfortunately, photos cannot do EB MB & MCB justice.
Reaching the limit of colour gamut that many cameras are capable of.
The eye is much more discernible.

I get that and have yet to see a photo of EBII that looks as good as it does in the metal but as I've seen both colors side by side in sunlight and in the shop and can't tell, I submit there isn't much is difference. I know that EBII is made up of 7 different PPG colors and was hoping someone with paint knowledge knew the % of colors used on both so as to quantify a/any difference. "The eye" is subjective...

eclipsisNA · 03-05-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertSmokeBBQ

I get that and have yet to see a photo of EBII that looks as good as it does in the metal but as I've seen both colors side by side in sunlight and in the shop and can't tell, I submit there isn't much is difference. I know that EBII is made up of 7 different PPG colors and was hoping someone with paint knowledge knew the % of colors used on both so as to quantify a/any difference. "The eye" is subjective...

I definitely have seen a difference, albeit small, and I've seen both colors side-by-side on several occasions. I took the following pic a while ago, and it shows the difference I've been talking about:

-MCB is a deeper, darker blue
-Estoril is lighter with a slight purple hue

ADEAN · 03-22-2013, 10:45 AM

So nice both colors but they look exactly the same!!

Roki_014 · 03-22-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eclipsisNA

I definitely have seen a difference, albeit small, and I've seen both colors side-by-side on several occasions. I took the following pic a while ago, and it shows the difference I've been talking about:

-MCB is a deeper, darker blue
-Estoril is lighter with a slight purple hue

there is also a difference between estoril and EB2

Pure · 08-14-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertSmokeBBQ

I get that and have yet to see a photo of EBII that looks as good as it does in the metal but as I've seen both colors side by side in sunlight and in the shop and can't tell, I submit there isn't much is difference. I know that EBII is made up of 7 different PPG colors and was hoping someone with paint knowledge knew the % of colors used on both so as to quantify a/any difference. "The eye" is subjective...

Montecarlo Blue
Debut year 2009
30% Blue
25% Brandeis blue
20% Azure Blue
10% Medium blue
10% Silver
5% Royal Blue

Estoril Blue 2
Debut year 2011
25% Blue
25% Azure Blue
25% Brandeis Blue
18% Silver
4% Medium Blue
3% Dodger Blue

Depending on the environment in which they are will have certain tones
Rain , Snow, sand, sea, morning, afternoon,night, buildings, trees.

xDRAN0x · 08-14-2013, 08:25 PM

no wonder people argue that BMW drivers park like shit

Steve33 · 08-14-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xDRAN0x

no wonder people argue that BMW drivers park like shit

Somebody got to it before I could...

bavarianboar · 08-15-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Purecraftgerman

Montecarlo Blue
Debut year 2009
30% Blue
25% Brandeis blue
20% Azure Blue
10% Medium blue
10% Silver
5% Royal Blue

Estoril Blue 2
Debut year 2011
25% Blue
25% Azure Blue
25% Brandeis Blue
18% Silver
4% Medium Blue
3% Dodger Blue

Depending on the environment in which they are will have certain tones
Rain , Snow, sand, sea, morning, afternoon,night, buildings, trees.

Where do you find that info and percentage mixes?

I am really curious. I work in imaging and cameras, and this is just fascinating to me how we would be able to characterize the reflectance of each color combination. Any reference/link?

Niels_S · 08-15-2013, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purecraftgerman

Montecarlo Blue
Debut year 2009
30% Blue
25% Brandeis blue
20% Azure Blue
10% Medium blue
10% Silver
5% Royal Blue

Estoril Blue 2
Debut year 2011
25% Blue
25% Azure Blue
25% Brandeis Blue
18% Silver
4% Medium Blue
3% Dodger Blue

Depending on the environment in which they are will have certain tones
Rain , Snow, sand, sea, morning, afternoon,night, buildings, trees.

Where do you find that info and percentage mixes?

I am really curious. I work in imaging and cameras, and this is just fascinating to me how we would be able to characterize the reflectance of each color combination. Any reference/link?

Jup, curious as well!

NISFAN · 08-15-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xDRAN0x

no wonder people argue that BMW drivers park like shit

+1

Pure · 08-15-2013, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Where do you find that info and percentage mixes?

I am really curious. I work in imaging and cameras, and this is just fascinating to me how we would be able to characterize the reflectance of each color combination. Any reference/link?

That information I obtained between me and a contact who works for an international paint company.
Only I can say that cost me a lot of work
I can not give more details because, would put at risk the work of my contact.

03-05-2013, 12:14 AM	#1
DesertSmokeBBQ Captain 39 Rep 933 Posts Drives: 2014 F30 335i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW [0.00]	Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between these two colors? I parked my 2013 328i next to my friends 2013 M5. His color code is B50/5 and mine is B45 but ill be damned if I can tell the difference between the two in direct sunlight from any angle. Anyone have any insight? EDIT: Monte Carlo Blue vice Monaco Blue __________________ '14 Estoril Blue II F30 - 335i - ZMM - ZPP - ZTP - ZPS - 2TP Traded 9-1-13 '13 Estoril Blue II F30 - 328i - ZMM - ZPP -ZDY - ZTB - 403 - 465 - 494 - 4DX- LC (Black) - 6NL
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eclipsisNA Colonel 350 Rep 2,937 Posts Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA iTrader: (6) Garage List 2014 BMW 428i [7.76]	I think you're the only one. Monaco is a dark, almost black/blue, and Estoril is very bright. No comparison. Monte Carlo Blue is almost identical to Estoril though. Are you sure your friend's M5 isn't Monte Carlo Blue, a standard M5 color? Last edited by eclipsisNA; 03-05-2013 at 01:31 AM..
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eclipsisNA Colonel 350 Rep 2,937 Posts Drives: 2013 Estoril 328i M Sport Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA iTrader: (6) Garage List 2014 BMW 428i [7.76]	The differences between MCB and EB are minor, but they're there. I saw my old MCB M3 next to an Estoril E36, and Estoril is a lighter color. MCB is a deeper, darker blue, but not by a large amount. Before I sold my MCB M3, I took pictures of my future EB F30's painted reflectors against the MCB M3: Attached Images
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finaloption Captain 187 Rep 632 Posts Drives: '13 f30 n26 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	here's a link to a previous post.. they look pretty damn same to me.. i haven't seen EBII in person yet, so i can't say for sure http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=722971
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DesertSmokeBBQ Captain 39 Rep 933 Posts Drives: 2014 F30 335i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW [0.00]	i get that there might be some minor difference but you can hold that reflector up to the car until the moon falls from the heavens and I still wont see a difference. Attached Images __________________ '14 Estoril Blue II F30 - 335i - ZMM - ZPP - ZTP - ZPS - 2TP Traded 9-1-13 '13 Estoril Blue II F30 - 328i - ZMM - ZPP -ZDY - ZTB - 403 - 465 - 494 - 4DX- LC (Black) - 6NL Last edited by DesertSmokeBBQ; 03-05-2013 at 08:10 PM..
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justinnum1 Major General 651 Rep 5,803 Posts Drives: 2018 330i Msport 6mt Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0)	MB has more blude than EB2, eb2 has more silver i think. but they are very similar __________________ F30 330i Alpine white/Coral red Msport 6MT
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David328M-Sport Brigadier General 101 Rep 3,566 Posts Drives: F30 M-Sport 328i Estoril Blue Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia iTrader: (0)	Unfortunately, photos cannot do EB MB & MCB justice. Reaching the limit of colour gamut that many cameras are capable of. The eye is much more discernible. __________________ 328i M-Sport, Estoril Blue, Carbon XP 35 Tint, front heated seats, black Dakota, Sports Suspension, Anthracite Headliner, HUD, Pro Nav, Sunroof, hk 600w, Bi-Xenon, 19" 403M wheels, Reversing Camera, DAB+, Xenon, BT Ext Connect, MST turbo intake pipe, MST Cold Air Intake, JB4 on Map 2 with Catless DP produces awesome performance in Sport.
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ADEAN New Member 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: BMW 328i M-Sport Estoril Blue Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	So nice both colors but they look exactly the same!!
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