2018 Mustang GT is as fast as an M3/4 in a straight line for $35k

[FriedPiston]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

you have a point.

can we agree that for the price of a m4 you can get a few better cars.

Better has too many subjective variables, so I can't say that I can.

Here's one never ending example:

Person A with a $30k annual salary would find a $10,000 used car better than a 2018 Mustang GT.

However, Person B, who makes double than Person A at $60k annual salary would say that a 2018 Mustang GT is much better than a 2018 BMW M4.

But then Person C with $120k annual salary would say that the F8x is the better value car over any other high performance car in the same price range.

Then came Person D with a $75k salary, and says, no way, Jose! My used <insert high horsepower car> is way better than anything in the world.

...and the cycle continues.

There's never going to be one car that will be the best for whatever price, as everything is subjective to people's needs, taste, and financial means.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Better has too many subjective variables, so I can't say that I can.

Here's one never ending example:

Person A with a $30k annual salary would find a $10,000 used car better than a 2018 Mustang GT.

However, Person B, who makes double than Person A at $60k annual salary would say that a 2018 Mustang GT is much better than a 2018 BMW M4.

But then Person C with $120k annual salary would say that the F8x is the better value car over any other high performance car in the same price range.

Then came Person D with a $75k salary, and says, no way, Jose! My used <insert high horsepower car> is way better than anything in the world.

...and the cycle continues.

There's never going to be one car that will be the best for whatever price, as everything is subjective to people's needs, taste, and financial means.

lol i'm done.

[bimmer456]

Watched a YouTube vid just now, 10 speed auto definitely lags when paddle shifting, no comparison to the zf tranny, so the challenger and charger have a better tranny. Is the ZF only in the hellcat or regular challenger autos as well? The 10 speed is supposed to be a major improvement over the prior version not so sure it compares even to a ZF let alone a dual clutch in the m4. This tranny was co developed with GM though I feel the 8 speed in the corvette was pretty good.

[eluded]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Trick question: What's the longest distance you've driven without ever turning the steering wheel?

Ever driven in Texas?

[GhostyM]

That's a crazy good bargain! Wow!

Love the competition.. maybe BMW will reconsider the direction of their M3/M4 and start building actual collectibles once again......

But probably not, most likely they'll say "**** no"

Thanks, corporate greed!

[CirrusSR22]

You can also add the Ford Performance/Rousch factory supercharger kit and be at 700 HP. AND keep the factory warranty.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...arger-kit.html

[CirrusSR22]

Originally Posted by Z K

I think the GT350 is awesome... regular GT just doesn't look the part.

Straight line is one thing, I'm more interested in a track beast.

I also ran a new Mustang GT... past 100, the M3 pulls away - The mustang doesn't have power in the high rpm range. In Mexico of course.

You raced an old Mustang GT, not a new one. The 2018 in question has a higher redline, more power, more torque and a better (auto) transmission.

[86merc]

The 2018 GT performance pack 2 will be interesting to see comparisons to other cars. It has better suspension, but more so, better tires. Those tires alone should be a huge help.

The coyote makes more power up top than the current M3 offerings. Like 35 ho more peak. But the M3 has a better torque and horsepower curve. Which should help to pull the car out of corners. It does seem some of the shops I know that had a 2018 on the dyno already showed they might be slightly underrated. When compared to the claimed HP bump compared to the 2015-17 cars. So will be interesting to see how they fair.

The Mustang has made leaps and bounds in the last 2-3 years as far as interior quality goes. It isn't as nice as an M3. I wouldn't even go there. haha But for the money the GT is very attractive.

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by tooshay

I rather get the Civic Type R for 32k.

apples to oranges

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

You can also add the Ford Performance/Rousch factory supercharger kit and be at 700 HP. AND keep the factory warranty.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...arger-kit.html

Yep, and I saw some cars over the Summer which had the kit already on the car for the SAME price as a stock GT without the kit. Crazy deal!

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Better has too many subjective variables, so I can't say that I can.

Here's one never ending example:

Person A with a $30k annual salary would find a $10,000 used car better than a 2018 Mustang GT.

However, Person B, who makes double than Person A at $60k annual salary would say that a 2018 Mustang GT is much better than a 2018 BMW M4.

But then Person C with $120k annual salary would say that the F8x is the better value car over any other high performance car in the same price range.

Then came Person D with a $75k salary, and says, no way, Jose! My used <insert high horsepower car> is way better than anything in the world.

...and the cycle continues.

There's never going to be one car that will be the best for whatever price, as everything is subjective to people's needs, taste, and financial means.

Performance #s don't lie. So if Car A actually out handles/outruns car B then that is just a fact. Now, personal preference for liking car B over A is another subject & perfectly fine. I've never said "Oh, I like this car more b/c it cost more than another & I can buy it."

[Never_Enough]

The big thing that keeps from from considering a Mustang or Non ZL1 Camaro is the fact that I see 800 of them daily. For my main toy, I want something that is not seen daily 800 times. This is coming from someone who has owned 5 Mustangs & a few F-Bodies in the past.

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

You can also add the Ford Performance/Rousch factory supercharger kit and be at 700 HP. AND keep the factory warranty.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...arger-kit.html

That is actually awesome

Compare that with the utter contempt BMW has for us by locking their ECUs to prevent b58s from stealing the s55s thunder

My current car will probably be the last BMW I ever buy.

[86merc]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

My current car will probably be the last BMW I ever buy.

I would imagine eventually the tuners will break into them. But it does suck to have to wait for it to happen when there is so much potential there.

The Mustang ECU seems to get figured out pretty quickly. There are so many good tuners to choose from with them. They pick up good power for being an N/A car. Not to mention a 8,000-8,200 rev limit. They sound good screaming at that rpm. Although nothing like the flat plane crank GT350.

The aftermarket for the Mustang is huge as well. Prices are very reasonable compared to the BMW. If you want to modify your car there are probably few cars that can compare to the Mustang.

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by nars3000

Trick question: What's the longest distance you've driven without ever turning the steering wheel?

Have you ever driven from sacramento to san diego?

[bimmer456]

So I watched a vid by ecobeast on YouTube and he did two 0-60 pulls at an air strip and the fastest he got was only 5.2 with lots of wheel spin. A bimmer would get much closer to the advertised numbers in the real world without a skilled driver. That's over a second off the 0-60 and he probably wasn't using 93. I could beat that time with my 340i which costs about the same. So I think I'll keep my bimmer and wait for something better to come along.

[86merc]

Because a day in November, in New Jersey, on an un-used airport runway, is going to be ideal to get traction in any car. lmao Come on now.

Also, Those in-car data widgets are cool, but not very accurate. I pulled a 1.1 G in a corner on the Tail of the Dragon, according to the widget. I guarantee you I did not pull close to a 1.1 G on any corners there.


Also, be aware that not all claims by manufacturers and magazines about 0-60 & quarter mile times are the same. Some use numbers that are with a roll-out. Meaning they don't start the timing until the car is like 5mph out. Or something like that.

[someguywithanm3]

Those are nice performance numbers. I like Mustangs, but there are way too many around. I ve purchased a couple of GTs and have always been disappointed with resale value. I can't wait until the more rare GT350 gets a boost and current GT350s go down in price

My next car is going to be pretty rare. I'm done buying cars that depreciate so quickly (last new car was purchased a few months ago, so we'll see if I keep my word).

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Never_Enough

The big thing that keeps from from considering a Mustang or Non ZL1 Camaro is the fact that I see 800 of them daily. For my main toy, I want something that is not seen daily 800 times. This is coming from someone who has owned 5 Mustangs & a few F-Bodies in the past.

Exactly 100% my thoughts as well. I want some individuality in my life, not a car I see 20+ times on a few mile trip to the grocery story. Taking absolutely nothing away from the performance of the car of course, they're just way too common out in the wild for my taste.

[neilum]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

you have a point.

can we agree that for the price of a m4 you can get a few better cars.

Are you really using words like "better" to make a point here? Better in what sense? If I had to break if down, no a GT mustang isn't really better at anything than an F80 besides it can keep up in the 1/4 (which is very respectable in and of itself). BMW is looks nicer, is nicer, more refined, handles better, makes a better track car.

However, I think most guys who own M3's myself included, first of all respect Mustangs, but aren't really concerned because I am not cross shopping them. If I wanted a Mustang I would have bought one (well the GT350)..

I'll go out on a limb here looking at the profiles of people posting that 99% of people here haven't driven either of these cars which makes your opinion completely hollow.

If only watching youtube videos could make you an expert...

[JoeFromPA]

I'm sure I'm not the first/last person who will say I have considered whether a Mustang GT would be a good next move after my f80.

It looks great, has an amazing engine, handles and brakes very well, sounds great, and has a solid interior for the price. If I buy it and want to trade it after a year, it'll still be far less depreciation than an equivalent f80 - so I'll remain financially ahead.

Now is it what I ultimately want? Maybe not, but it's a solid and reasonable choice for anyone with the means.

[JoeFromPA]

....(cont'd) just priced one out and spec'd my way I'd get a GT for $48k or just opt-up for a gt350 at $59k.

Is that alot of money for a mustang, which is built on inexpensive roots? Yes.

Wonder how the gt350 will depreciate, as ultimately it's all about depreciation.