02-06-2013, 09:55 AM | #23 |
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I don't know if you get the European version or the US version of it in Canada, but I know the very few who bought the Smart in the US got fucked since the imported model has an engine that makes like 30 mpg... Talk about getting the worst of both worlds.
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02-06-2013, 09:56 AM | #24 | |
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02-06-2013, 10:17 AM | #25 | |
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The N52 3l detuned to 245HP that would have been instead of the N20 for the states, produces the same power, but the turbos are probably a little underrated so there is some advantage there. My main point is that it is not nearly as fast as it feels compared to an NA, because the turbo coming on suddenly is felt as a kick in the pants but it doesn't last. Also, there is turbo lag. |
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02-06-2013, 10:22 AM | #26 | |
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02-06-2013, 10:23 AM | #27 | |
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But in a perfect world without eco and econ considerations, turbos are like drinking your own piss.. there is no reason why you would want to do it (except min. weight at the expense of response, and driving pleasure) |
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02-06-2013, 10:30 AM | #28 | |
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part of the 0-63 figures I suspect are using launch which eliminated the lag factor, or if not, the a turbo could win the 0-63 but lose a distance race due to the back-loaded velocity curve (for turbos to load) Just as BMW goosed the N20 to 245hp, if they would have given you the N52@258hp or 272 .. do you not think you would be a happier man? It's just cuz they detuned the crap out of the N52 and now they do the opposite with the intrinsically inferior N20 so you feel its a lot better, they just did it to make more money. |
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02-06-2013, 10:32 AM | #29 | |
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02-06-2013, 11:59 AM | #30 |
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Consumer Reports sounds increasingly like a bunch of grumpy old geezers sitting around complaining about modern day living.
"These young whippersnappers with their turbo-whatchmacallit engines... When I was young engines only had 3 parts and I could fix any problem with a dirty towel and a wrench. And my fingers are too big for these virtual keyboards on those fancy touch phones. And who is this Tweet guy? In my day famous people went on the Johnny Carson show. Now those people had talent!" |
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02-06-2013, 12:51 PM | #31 | |
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I listed 30-50 and 50-70, you are already moving. You can also look at trap speeds which correlate more to power than the launch of 0-60. The n20 trap speed is 3-5mph faster than the n52. This is not opinion but recorded data. While the higher output n52 is nice, extracting power out of an na engine is far more expensive than a turbo car. My tuned n20 is at a level an n52 is not seeing without $$$$$$ invested. So I am happy with the n20 regardless of what n52 was offered if it does not have a turbo attached.
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02-06-2013, 01:00 PM | #32 | |
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And specific engines come standard in each line, usually the more expensive/premium the line package the more powerful the standard engine will be for that trim. For the most part though you can get any engine you want regardless of your trim line or features. All that said, the fact that they offer engines for a single vehicle probably makes that more useful for customers as it gives them the most flexibility. |
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02-06-2013, 01:28 PM | #33 | |
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What you mean is NA is moving upmarket as it becomes expensive eco-tax wise.. But the Japanese have yet to go this route, keeping their workhorse 4-cylinders. Ford is actually doing everybody with a bit of knowledge a favor - they charge more to 'upgrade' to the turbo-4 from the V6.. now if you go by the triusm "you get what you pay for" you are in a world of hurt. But if you know your stuff, thank you Ford! |
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02-06-2013, 01:33 PM | #34 | |
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Sure, if you're going to boost you need a turbo. |
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02-06-2013, 01:40 PM | #35 | |
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You pin the throttle and they use a vbox to measure time. Its that simple. I have a few hundred passes at the drag strip. You dont let off until you cross the line. Otherwise its called Sandbagging which no magazine test would bother doing.
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02-06-2013, 01:53 PM | #36 |
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Was talking about the 50-70 overtaking times given by the manufacturers.. they don't really say if they are on throttle or not.. and it makes a bigger difference for turbo cars. Wasn't talking about trap times..
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02-06-2013, 01:56 PM | #37 |
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The mileage delta between a turbo 4 and a 6 will get larger if more highway driving is done. My guess is that CR has a driving cycle for testing mileage which puts an emphasis on light-to-light driving, where the difference is smaller.
I'm always a little suspicious of CR. They definitely have integrity and do a good service to the public, but I've often been struck with their persnickety findings that really don't relate to my car driving experience. If you're looking for an appliance with wheels to roll you back and fourth to work, use their advice. If you value a visceral experience along with your commute, they're not the ones. They're kind of the anti-Clarkson (who is hilarious and interesting, but not a good source of automotive advice). |
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02-06-2013, 02:02 PM | #38 |
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That marginality only applied to the SUV in the excerpt above. They were pleased with both the performance and economy on the 328i.
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02-06-2013, 07:21 PM | #39 |
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The figures were not from the manufacturer but magaZines, same mag, same testing, but a couple years apart. That is pretty straight forward and 1+ seconds faster in 50-70 top gear acceleration is substantial.
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