[Pauleebe]

I'd take the 4 series front with the 3 series rear.

[Dinh335]

funny how a lot of us complain that we don't get the "cool" cars that europe gets then one comes that its a bit out of the norm, and it gets a ton of "what's the points????"

Will I get the Grand coupe, probably not, but i like the idea of a 5 door hatchback.

I also welcome it, if this was 2 years ago I'd consider it. I hate how everything here has to be SUV centric, a 4 door, or coupe or it doesn't make sense.

[Meeni]

The GT brand is a failure so they rebrand it as GC now ?

[tony2tone]

i will order one as soon as it arrives at the dealership

[jmcphillips1]

I can't wait to check out a GC in person. Looks amazing.

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by Meeni

The GT brand is a failure so they rebrand it as GC now ?

The GT is a failure because it looks like the bastard child of an X6 and a Station Wagon.

The GC is sex-on-wheels.

Just because the GC has a functional "hatchback" doesn't mean it looks like one.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Considering I didn't want to wait to be able to order a 435GC at/near invoice, I pulled the trigger on a 335i. I'll probably be ready to consider a 435GC around the time the 2016 model year is released.

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

All I see in your reply is regurgitated here-say from people who have driven some form of F30, but often the wrong iteration. If I had not put 1000's of miles on E90s I could blindly agree with your unoriginal repetitive mindset. Great first post though.

That's pretty hilarious considering the F30 I drove was my buddies 328i M-Sport 6spd, that was my first time. I will say the engine and trans are bright, it's car around it that dulls it down. This is just my opinion.
The 335i I drove had the same feeling other than being fast
Again just my opinion, this car is no 3 series.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Neverenoughboost

That's pretty hilarious considering the F30 I drove was my buddies 328i M-Sport 6spd, that was my first time. I will say the engine and trans are bright, it's car around it that dulls it down. This is just my opinion.
The 335i I drove had the same feeling other than being fast
Again just my opinion, this car is no 3 series.

You are welcome to your opinion. Of the 30+ articles that I have read of professionals testing this car, whose opinion is of more value, some comment about steering being different, or the handling a bit softer, many of them still define this car very much a 3 series and having the classic 3 series hallmarks of balance and cohesive controls.

I may not love the steering(didn't love the E90s either), but it doesn't mean I agree with exaggeration that this car is not what the 3 series is/was.

[stefan]

I am amazed that there are markets for two cars that are as similar as these.

[joewalton]

Originally Posted by stefan

I am amazed that there are markets for two cars that are as similar as these.

If the F36 is the 'new' 3 Series Sedan, perhaps the F30 is the 'new' CLA.

What's also interesting is that on a six year product cycle, one can lease a new BMW bodystyle every single time one re-up's for the rest of your life:

F30 > Wait 36 Months > F36 > Wait 36 Months > New 3 Sedan > Wait 36 Months > New F36 Gran Coupe

LCI? We don't need no stinkin' LCI...

[M2Cmtl]

I will be very interested to see the price delta between the F30/F31's and this. The fact that its a hatch makes it so much more useful in real life.

[cdgatti]

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/01/2...ficial-photos/

The 4 series GC is killing the F30 in the poll at the end of the article.

[stevehecht]

Originally Posted by cdgatti

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/01/2...ficial-photos/

The 4 series GC is killing the F30 in the poll at the end of the article.

We'll see how many of those GC voters actually end up spending the extra $3K+ for the coupe. It will be more than the $3K delta mentioned in the article because the GC will be selling a lot closer to MSRP for quite a while. I'd say when push comes to shove most buyers will drop their $3K+ on packages/option/mods they want instead of the better look of the GC.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by stevehecht

We'll see how many of those GC voters actually end up spending the extra $3K+ for the coupe. It will be more than the $3K delta mentioned in the article because the GC will be selling a lot closer to MSRP for quite a while. I'd say when push comes to shove most buyers will drop their $3K+ on packages/option/mods they want instead of the better look of the GC.

It won't stay close to MSRP for long, not even as long as the 4er coupe.

Remember, the F30 is 2+ years old, and the GC doesn't look all that different. It can't command the 'hot new model' premium for very long.

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

You are welcome to your opinion. Of the 30+ articles that I have read of professionals testing this car, whose opinion is of more value, some comment about steering being different, or the handling a bit softer, many of them still define this car very much a 3 series and having the classic 3 series hallmarks of balance and cohesive controls.

I may not love the steering(didn't love the E90s either), but it doesn't mean I agree with exaggeration that this car is not what the 3 series is/was.

Fair enough, beer on me at that point. If it's any matter I do like your F30 especially with those wheels

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Neverenoughboost

Fair enough, beer on me at that point. If it's any matter I do like your F30 especially with those wheels

Thanks.

Just an FYI, I find the BMW EPS every sensitive to weight, and so lighter wheels and tires had a very nice affect on steering and the springs helped steering and handling. I find this to be more-so than any other car I have had as I do wheels/tires/springs on every car I have owned over the past 20 years.

[stevehecht]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Thanks.

Just an FYI, I find the BMW EPS every sensitive to weight, and so lighter wheels and tires had a very nice affect on steering and the springs helped steering and handling. I find this to be more-so than any other car I have had as I do wheels/tires/springs on every car I have owned over the past 20 years.

What weight range do you consider to be a lighter 19" tire, ignoring the RFs?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by stevehecht

What weight range do you consider to be a lighter 19" tire, ignoring the RFs?

Ignoring tires, though that is a large part of weight loss here...

I shoot for a 20% decrease in unsprung weight. With my 18" 400Ms being 26.5lbs each, my 19's being 22lbs is about on target. Most would consider that to be fairly light for a 19" wheel.

If I were tracking my car I would put an even lighter 18" wheel on instead. But I have my winter OZs in 17x8" which are about 18lbs each.

[The long haul]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Thanks.

Just an FYI, I find the BMW EPS every sensitive to weight, and so lighter wheels and tires had a very nice affect on steering and the springs helped steering and handling. I find this to be more-so than any other car I have had as I do wheels/tires/springs on every car I have owned over the past 20 years.

Good to know, and I'm sure someone will find a way to tune the system.
Your Z3 is hot btw!

[stevehecht]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Ignoring tires, though that is a large part of weight loss here...

I shoot for a 20% decrease in unsprung weight. With my 18" 400Ms being 26.5lbs each, my 19's being 22lbs is about on target. Most would consider that to be fairly light for a 19" wheel.

If I were tracking my car I would put an even lighter 18" wheel on instead. But I have my winter OZs in 17x8" which are about 18lbs each.

I'm not sure that you understood my question. What do you consider to be a light 19" tire? The 19" wheel I'm getting is 24.6 lbs.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by stevehecht

I'm not sure that you understood my question. What do you consider to be a light 19" tire? The 19" wheel I'm getting is 24.6 lbs.

Oh sorry, I squinted on my phone.

I go for the best tire, in my case the PSS and hope the weights are not bad. It was lighter than my RFTs by at least a pound.

I would not let weight be too much of a determining factor in my tire selection, only if I was undecided between 2-3 brands/models.